May
17
2006

Do steroids help Barry Bonds hit home runs?


Barry Bonds: Barry Bonds took his cuts at the plate at a home game in San Francisco on May 13 while he was in pursuit of Babe Ruth's mark of 714 career home runs. What role do steroids play, if any, in his home-run hitting efforts?
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Barry Bonds (at least at the time of this posting) is still one home run shy of tying Babe Ruth’s 714 career home run total. Down the road is Hank Aaron’s all-time record of 755 home runs.

Due to Bonds’ prolific home run hitting of late and growing investigations tying the San Francisco Giant slugger with potential use of steroids, more and more people are questioning if his attempt to pass these time-honored baseball marks is legitimate.

While many people on moral grounds want to dismiss Bonds’ achievements because he might have used an illegal drug, would steroid use really help him hit more home runs? Does more muscle equal more distance on a flying baseball?

Those are very tough questions to answer with purely scientific data. Baseball players of different eras were facing different pitchers throwing different balls in different stadiums. And within the game of baseball, there’s more support than you might think that Bonds’ achievements have more to do with pure baseball skills than possible increased muscle mass due to steroids.

Star Tribune sports columnist Pat Reusse put that question to several current and past Minnesota Twins during spring training. And what they had to say could be surprising to anti-steroid purists:

"The truth is, there were so many guys taking steroids for a few years, and they couldn't hit like Barry Bonds. In my opinion, a guy hitting with a corked bat is taking a bigger advantage than someone who was on steroids,” said Twins outfielder Shannon Stewart. "If Bonds was doing all of this ... you still have to hit the ball. He still was going to hit 40 or 50 (each season), with or without steroids."

Maybe you’d expect such a comment from a current player looking to come to the defense of a colleague under siege in the court of public opinion. But what does a former baseball legend think? Here’s what Tony Oliva, former American League batting champ and current hitting consultant had to say:

“I hope baseball can soon stop talking about steroids. What I do know is the ballparks (today) are smaller and the ball is harder. I know those are two reasons for more home runs. Maybe steroids were the third reason. I don't know.”

Hall of Famer Paul Molitor chimed in with this take on the situation about Bonds’ late-career home run surge:

"As much as it might appear to be overwhelming evidence on the surface -- alarming physical transformation and a mysterious upgrade in power later in a career -- it's not a black and white issue. It's very strong speculation, but it's still speculation."

So what does it take to hit a home run? Reflecting back on the vintage film showing Babe Ruth at bat, he was by no means a chiseled athlete. Yet he had the knack to be the premier home run hitter for much of the game’s history. And Hank Aaron, the current career home run king, wasn’t Goliath, either, and was known for his all-around ability to play all phases of the game.

An essay by Robert Nishihara has an interesting take on the home run/steroids question. He turns to the book The Science of Hitting by former Red Sox great Ted Williams, considered by man to be the best all-around hitter to ever play the game, to define what it takes to hit a home run.

Writes Nishihara:

“A good hitter must identify a pitch to hit, know enough about the pitcher and the game situation to give himself the best chance to succeed, and put hands and hips into motion to drive the pitch. Nowhere does Williams mention that muscle mass aides in any of those critical elements. Williams, himself, of course, was rail-thin, and yet, he managed to crank out 521 career homers.”

“Sure, added muscle mass may increase the distance a player is able to hit a baseball, but what negative effect does that added mass have in altering the fluidity of the player's swing and, thus, his ability to hit the ball in the first place? A popular baseball refrain cautions fast players who have deficiencies in the batter's box that one cannot steal first base. Similarly, a power hitter cannot hit a home run if he cannot hit the ball. And hitting a baseball is a unique skill in the world of sports. It is a powerful act that does not require extraordinary muscle strength. Instead, it is primarily dependent on technique, reflexes, and hand-eye coordination, not brute strength. It is a correlation that so many people are failing to make these days.”

On top of that, many of the players to be disciplined in the last couple season for steroid use have been pitchers. If you believe steroid use helps a player hit the ball farther, then did steroids also help a pitcher throw harder? Would that make it harder for a player to hit a home run?

In my mind, all of these questions raise even more questions as to the impact steroids have on the records and performance of the game. Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating using illegal drugs in sports, but their impact on the game and its records isn’t as clear as things might seem on the surface.

What do YOU think?

Your Comments, Thoughts, Questions, Ideas

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

If every one thinks it's his baseball skills then why dosent just stop taking Steriods then we would know the truth.

posted on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 9:55am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

How do you know he's even taking steroids? Bonds has passed every test, and he is still putting up the numbers. We can't make him stop taking steroids if we arent sure he's taking them.

posted on Thu, 05/25/2006 - 12:40pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

There is significant circumstantial evidence, both in the book and in his career.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 6:12pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Would you like to be convicted of a crime based upon circumstantial evidence or would you rather the jury make a decision based upon actual proven facts?

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 11:08am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

We're not talking about a crime; we're talking about the integrity of the sport.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 10:19pm
Lester Cheeks's picture
Lester Cheeks says:

Oh the surface integrity of the sport. Babe Ruth made himself critically ill trying to inject goat testicle extract. There's "circumstantial" evidence on that too. The fact that steroids turn you into a history making slugger is also "circumstantial" Truth is if you can hit one homerun you have the ability to hit 200 if you could find the sweetspot on every pitch.

posted on Mon, 07/15/2013 - 8:39pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

he is the second best hitter of MLB. a one year old can figure that out

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:03pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

You are just a Bonds hater jumping on the bandwagon, the foundation of law in this country is innocent until proven guilty. And nothing he does can be explained by any magic potion!!! The man is supremely talented FACE IT!!

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:07pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

The only reason he has passed the tests is because we do not yet have a reliable test for most of the banned substances.

posted on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 10:22pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Stop saying EVERYONE has done steroids. If EVERYONE did there would be players with more homeruns than Bonds. Maybe 1 of 5 at best. It does help strength and power. A higher battting average is a better indicator of hand eye coordination, and he isn't even in the top 60! A cheater, period and a disgrace. Any parent that lets their kid wear a Bonds shirt should be shunned. Real baseball fans don't stick up for him, just like Hank Aaron isn't.

posted on Sun, 05/27/2007 - 4:13pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Hey, there is no test for HGH.

posted on Sun, 06/24/2007 - 9:25am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

he should have sued the game of shadows bynow thats why he is guilty

posted on Sun, 08/12/2007 - 2:14pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

because there are other drugs that can be taken to hide the steroids in his body, but you are correct, how do we even know he is taking them,.

posted on Tue, 05/03/2011 - 6:44pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Gee!!!! Whadya all you ding dongs think now??? Its 2011 and ALL the home runs are gone.. Guess they just deadened the ball, or maybe just stopped working out, or maybe the players union decided only ONE home run hitter per team and not to exceed 50. Or maybe the pitchers are eating nuclear waste now. Any fool knows that if someones HEAD GETS BIG at 37 that hes doing something unconventional to his body. Bonds could have been widely regarded as ONE of the greatest hitters in baseball, much like his god father Willie Mays. Instead he is going down as just another jerk trying to circumvent the system to be the ARTIFICIAL BEST in baseball. This blog stopped because it is FRIGGIN' OBVIOUS that once the heat was on that the roids had to stop. I hate more than anything else that some players who worked their butts off to be in the majors were in some cases no doubt not called up because of low life scum sucking CHEATERS like Bonds and Canseco and as cast of literally hundreds. And as we will never know how many, I believe ALL records for about a 10 year period when roids were known to be prevalent, should be stricken from the record books..

posted on Sat, 07/30/2011 - 4:57pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

i m a teacher and i do not approve of sterioids

posted on Mon, 04/02/2007 - 10:05am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

amen sister

posted on Mon, 05/14/2007 - 2:16pm
MIKE RILEY's picture
MIKE RILEY says:

The steroids help Barry Bonds because at 230 ibs of steroid muscle he now can hit normal fly balls out of the park that were outs when he was at 185lbs at Pittsburg. If you look at his stats from 2000-2004 his homers went drastically up at an age when players lose their skills. His first 10 years in the National League he went above 40 homers once. Why couldn't he hit more homers then when he was young and at his peak then all of sudden comes to the Giants meets with Balco and now is hitting more home runs late in his career. Imagine if Hank Aaron used steroids the last 10 years of his career. He would have hit over 800 homers! Bad over all pitching and smaller parks do play a part but if Bonds played his entire career at 185lbs like he did his first 10 years in baseball his homer total would be around 550-600 homers. Imagine Babe Ruth on steroids. He would of hit over 900 homers!

posted on Thu, 04/19/2007 - 5:18pm
Stephen L.'s picture
Stephen L. says:

What does steriods do for the human body?
Does it make you more superior physically and mentally?
What a wonder drug! Right.
Maybe it could increase my ability to get all A's in my college classes. Or at age 52 I could make my long time dream come true and play major league baseball. Someone in the hierachy knows exatly how the supplement/illegal drug enhances the human body. Now remember someone always knew exactly how it worked on the human body.
It's the media that believed that it was vital that the public should be led to believe that the poor ole handsomely paid sports figures and the poor ole sports fans have been some how cheated out of their dose of reality. Get a real life. It was once call a supplement sold at most health food stores and is now illegal - it was illegal all along. A lot of money is being made up and down the food chain. Lets get it corrected now. Everyone has benefited enough, i.e., big business, media, the athletes and the fans. Steriod use is illegal. Put a permanent fix in place and move on. Get our young folks and the rest of the public educated on the facts surrounding the effects of its use. Barry Bonds is no less a cheater than Babe Ruth. I understand that he was a heavy drinker in his day. He probably used a lot of illegal substances in his day just to make it to the game the next day. It is very easy to judge an issue. But just consider all of the variables to any issue past or present. Nike has a slogan just do it. Here is my slogan - Steriods - Don't do it never - ever.

posted on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 4:53pm
Anonymous2123's picture
Anonymous2123 says:

ur so right barry bonds isnt on steroids. He passes all of his tests and the only reason people say hes on steroids is because hes homeruns went up as he got older. WELL WHY COULDNT THE MAN HAVE JUST STARTED WORKING HARDER. wheneveer a man starts to do better when others are doing worse in this country you call him a cheater. And you can tell hes not on staeroids because no matter how strong you are if u dont hav good hang-eye coirdination than u wont hit anything. You cant be a punk on steroids and hit 73 homers in a season!!!

posted on Wed, 03/19/2008 - 11:02pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Wow! You couldn't be further from the truth!! Balls are harder and stadiums are smaller. Look @ pacbell park! It's a launching pad!! The proof is in the stats! Look at first 10 years as opposed to last! The man went up in hat size for Christ sakes!! Having done juice myself, I can tell you reflexes and coordination is exponential!! Pop flies become HR's!! Wake up!!

posted on Wed, 07/20/2011 - 5:22pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

first of all, how do you know hank aaron didnt take steroids. second, your bringing weight into the issue, 185 for pirates when he was a rookie to 230 now for the giants, wow 45 pounds, i know a few people that gained up to 75 pounds in one year, your saying that the weight means hes taking steroids over 10 years, your funny. you must not know much about sports, i dont know one baseball player that didn't gain wait since they were a rookie.

posted on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 9:02pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Mike, between the ages of 18 and 40 I gained 35 pounds with a lot more muscle. As a basketball player, my shooting technique, rebounding and defense was much better at 38 than it was at 20. It was experience and knowledege of the game that made me a better player. According to your theory I must have have improved by using steroids, but I've never touched them or any other enhancing drug or substance.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 11:19am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Gaining weight between the ages of 18 and 40 is hardly surprising -- many boys who are string beans as teen muscle out in their early 20s (or pig out...not mentioning any names...)

You do not say what level of basketball you play. An amateur, playing neighborhood pick-up games, could certainly gain skills over 20 years of play that would compensate for the inevitable slowing down of the body, since he is playing against other amateurs with lower skill sets. At the professional level, the skill set for even the youngest player is much higher, and thus there is much less room to improve with age.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 10:23pm
S.Redmond's picture
S.Redmond says:

That is a very silly and childish question, the reality is that your opinions have probably been fueled by the media. There is a very coordinated campaign to diminish what Barry Bonds has done over the course of 22 years. The reality is that despite the intense scrutiny he has never TESTED POSITIVE FOR STERIODS!!! And let's say that he did use them, why is he the only one to benefit so incredibly from them??? Do you belive that he is the first and only player to use those substances?? In reality Bonds true genius is that he see pitches better than anyone in the game, and his discipline at the plate is unparalleled.... He is the most dangerous hitter in the game for many reasons other than steriods.... Because trust me if that was all it took, everyone would be hitting 45 homers, have an .800 slugging percentage and go to the Hall of Fame... The media hates this guy because he is not a smiling coon !!! None of that has anything to do with his gift for hitting a baseball ,and at age 42, with all you haters on his back, and 2 bad knees he is still forcing pitchers to walk him in the 9th inning with the bases loaded!!!

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:04pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I am no expert but I have lifted for many years clean. I have gone from 130 lbs. at 5'10" benching 95 lbs, 6 times to 188 lbs. and benching 225 for ten reps (arms from just over 10 inches to just over 16 inches). However, this took good diet and about 10 years to accomplish this, not one year (from 21 to 31). Guys at the gym have tried to convince me to become one of the "big guys" and put on a lot more muscle this year with some "supplements." I have personally witnessed guys I have kept pace with explode with muscles and strength in just a few months. A good cycle on a "clean" body and pack on muscle like you would not believe. A former training partner went from a 225 bench to 315 for ten reps in three months. At the same time he went from 190 to 220 lbs in weight. Of course he is all natrual, just like Barry Bonds - NOT. To each his own, Barry has made his own decisions which he will now have to live with for the rest of his life. If you have not noticed, his health as of late as not been all that great - and the guy is not that old! He will probably have issues for the rest of his life but it was his choice to make. It is true steroids will not make a non-athlete an all pro baseball player, but it will take a great athlete in his 30s and enable him to do a lot more damage hitting the ball than otherwise naturally possible.

posted on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 9:45pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

alot of people that take steroids cant hit a 95 mph fastball but bonds can. plus most pitchers are taking steroids too.

posted on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 8:15am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

what can steriods possibly do to help hit homeruns? if you got a body builder that uses steriods or any kind of drug to help improve their mass could they go out and hit a homerun or set many records. i dont think so. bonds has always had the ability to hit the ball out of the park of have that beautiful swing not only that he has the knowledge of the game. it takes more then to just go up and swing. a true baseball player would know what im talking about. you have to know the count or what the pitcher has to pitch or what he has thrown in the recent at bats. maybe bonds is possitive to steriods but come on we all know or we all should know that they dont help to hit the ball further. many guys have took steriods but some how bonds hits 756 and its not him its the steriods that he took. makes no sence! all of bonds years he has been hated by the press and had presure from the world but still have the abillity to put up records such as the ones he has now. give the guy some credit. half the people that are hating on him dont have a clue how to play the game just how to throw and catch. they need to sit down and watch some tapes to figure out what it really take! dont have hate the player just hate how good he is!

posted on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 2:35pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

True -- muscles alone do not a home run hitter make. But muscles are crucial. If a player is already a good hitter, then steroids can give him that extra added "oomph" to turn a long fly out into a home run. Compare Bonds AB/HR stats before and after the period he is suspected of using steroids. Yes, he was already a great hitter. But overnight he became an unprecedentedly insanely great hitter.

posted on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 3:13pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

u have to see the ball and be able to hit the ball u can be the strongest person in the world and yet if you cant hit the ball then it dosent matter

posted on Tue, 01/25/2011 - 7:01pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

his record shouldn't count - it is tainted, Whethr or not steroids actually affected his hitting ability, is not he issue because he clearly thought they would help. Sort of cheating and not a very good example of what an athlete stands for.

posted on Thu, 05/18/2006 - 1:03pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

no then he is not doing it on his own it is steroids that is doing the the work

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:04pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

hello but i think barry bonds is doing it all by himself without steriods

posted on Thu, 06/15/2006 - 2:45pm
Darren  Cherwonuk's picture
Darren Cherwonuk says:

Hello: You say that Barry Bonds is doing this all on his own. I dont think so. look at his numbers since 1986 for the 1st 4 years Barry,s numbers were very small, his great mumbers are since 2001 when he hit 73 prior to that his best season was 45 late 2000 was when he started taking (HGH) Human Growth Hormone, the Cream and other things that are undetected. Look at his body. I dont think he got that way from working out. Those Muscles are all from Steroids, Barry,s face carrys more water than Shamoo the Killer Whale, his Hat size has grown twice the size in the last 5 years. Barry,s Bonds records should be erased and when he passes Hank Aaron their will be an asterick next to his name. Thankyou Darren

posted on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 9:07am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

tru dat

posted on Thu, 05/17/2007 - 12:00pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

His hat size went up 1/4, not double. That's from the front page of the SF Chronicle, which clearly has every reasont to keep its facts clear and will take every opportunity to advertise weaknesses in Bonds's case if it has them. When you make up your "facts", your whole argument loses all credibility.

posted on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 2:25pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

you are such an imbecile! Unlike bandwagon Bonds haters, I've actually followed his career since the beginning: why, because he's the God son of another one of my favorite players Willie Mays. Now on to some facts...very RARELY does ANY power hitter, much less hitter in general start off his MLB career in a blaze of fire blasting home runs. Keep in mind Three Rivers Stadium (Pirates home field at the time) wasn't exactly the easiest place to hit the ball out of. On top of that he hit after Bobby Bonilla, which means he didn't get much to hit. But his numbers did steadily increase over the years and when he DID hit home-runs they were majestic 2nd, 3rd deck shots that few have reached prior. You accuse his weight gain as evidence that he took steroids or the cream...if you see his body, he's actually more fat than anything else. Then you say his hat size doubled...that's humanly impossible...he went from a 7 1/2, to a 7 3/4...that's documented do your research please. Lastly, idiots like yourself want to put asterisks on everything...so why not on Babe Ruth? It was just discovered he used corked bats. Or Ty Cobbs steal records...he instilled so much fear on the fielders with his sharpened spikes they would not dare stand in front of him...or Gaylord Perry's infamous spitball...and don't even get me started on that racist prick Roger "Roid Rage" Clemens...why not asterisks his 7 Cy Young's? or his 4000 k's, or his 300 wins? Game. Set. Match. POINT PROVEN!

posted on Sun, 06/21/2009 - 9:20am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

I'm sorry, but you have proved nothing, except possibly your inattention to detail.

1) It is not the length of Bonds' home runs that raises concerns, but rather their number. Specifically, the dramatic increase in number at an age where the human body goes into physical decline.

2) Batting after a good player generally does not affect the pitches a batter sees. Rather, hitting before a good player would impel the pitcher to try to get Bonds out, so that he wasn't on base when Bonilla came to bat. (Unless you are referring to Bonilla's high on-base percentage, which meant pitchers facing Bonds often threw out of the stretch. Which would benefit Bonds, not hinder him.)

3) The "corked bat" you refer to had cork on the handle. This does not affect the bat's hitting properties. It was perfectly legal at the time (as far as I know, it still is) and was widely and openly used.

Ty Cobb was a mean SOB, but playing hard is not crime, and wearing sharp spikes was legal and, again, widely used.

On Perry and Clemens, you do have a point. They appear to be cheaters, just as Bonds does.

posted on Wed, 06/24/2009 - 9:34am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Steroids do not allow your eyes to see a small round object coming at you at 95 miles per hour. Steroids can't make your brain send an electro-chemical signal to your nerves and muscles that tell you when to swing the bat to make a connection. By the way, have any of you Bond bashers considered something as simple as a weight room? I heard a crazy theory about theis new thinbg called weight training, maybe you've heard of it.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 11:29am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Lots of players aged 40+ can still see the ball and swing the bat. But in normal human development, muscles weaken with age.

Weight room have been around for decades. But there was only a brief period of about five year when Bonds (and a number of other players) suddenly started hitting everything in sight. If weight training were the answer, then everybody would be hitting 60 - 70 home runs, every year.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 10:27pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

If muscle and taking steroids to boost muscle is all it takes to hit homeruns why is it that Magnuson isnt recruited to play baseball? Or for that matter ANy of the WWF guys that are 6' gazillion weigh in at 400+ pounds and are rock solid with like 8% body fat? I mean if its purely about muscle and no skill is involved, then wouldn't every major league team go after every Huge muscle guy out there?

I mean, would The Rock hit 60 a year? I mean come on he benches over 350 and I bet 95% of the MLB cant do that.

If you continue to think it has anything to do with muscle for hitting a home run then continue to debate the steroid issue. FOr those wise enough to know that muscle and steroids for bulking someone up with more muscle has NOTHING to do with it then we can end this debate once and for all.

Bonds is the greatest hitter probably you will ever see when it comes to home runs. Just because he wasn't mr nice guy throughout his career they want to hang him.

The greatest hitter of all time was Ty Cobb, but he doesn't get that credit because the guy was a jerk. Check his stats, no one touches his hitting overall.

The fact is, Muscle has NOTHING to do with it so arguing whether he did or did not take steroids is just stupid.

In addition, should we throw out every record because medical science has advanced the training techniques of all modern athletes and effectively lengthened their careers and put records in jeopardy of ANY game? I mean if a guy gets Tommy John surgery and then gets 300 wins (see Tom Glavine) should his wins count? Because after all there was no such surgery back in the day and who knows how many wins Sandy Koufax might have had.

Training, medical science, and the ability to make yourself a more honed athlete has grown in the past 40 years by leaps and bounds. Steroids was just part of that progression or regression in some views. If you want to say steroids has changed the game, then you better start pointing fingers at the Nautlius equipment they have in their locker rooms and the state of the art training facilities and saying, "Wait... is any record officially broken given the modernization and ability of medicine to extend athletes careers and/or make them faster, stronger, etc.?"

Flame on

posted on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 1:08am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

I don't believe anyone has argued that muscles are the only factor in hitting home runs. To argue that muscles are not a factor at all is ludicrous.

posted on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 8:32am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Are you Crazy?! Barry Bonds was probably the best current player in baseball anyway! His record should count!

posted on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 4:27pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Barry Bonds is a cheater & a liar. He is not the greatest. Pete Rose is the greatest hitter. Thankyou

posted on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 6:00am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

LOL! I'm a Bonds-hater too, but to say Bonds is a cheater and then talk about Pete Rose...LOL!!!!

posted on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 11:09am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

His records should be erased, because he is a cheat.

posted on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:37pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

well if his homeruns shouldnt count i think they should cuz...!!!think about it he still has to hit the ball he still has to make contact with the ball!!!he is one of the best hitters alive in the mlb!!!!

posted on Sat, 02/24/2007 - 12:57pm
henry cooler's picture
henry cooler says:

No der.

ruth did it on beer and hotdogs and aaron did it in class.

bonds did it on steriods

posted on Mon, 05/22/2006 - 11:57am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

babe ruth did all on beer and hot dogs and that is not steroids he is doing the work

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:06pm
Russell Balest's picture
Russell Balest says:

I examined Bonds' statistics and wanted to note one trend during his career that is strangely overlooked. That trend is simply this: Bonds' statistics generally got better and better each year starting from his debut in 1986 and culminating in 2004. One dubious analysis I saw pointed to the fact that during Bonds' first 6 years, he produced a home run every 23 at-bats, while during his last 6 years ( presumably the years he was using steroids), he was suddenly able to produce a home run every 9 at-bats. The glaring ommission was that during the middle 6 years of Bonds' career he produced a home run every 13 at-bats. In other words, the trend is a continual year-over-year improvement which began with his first year in 1986 and not a sudden 'quantum leap' that occurred because he popped some pills one day. In fact, with regards to that particular statistic, the change during the 2nd third of Bonds' career is more dramatic than the change that occurred during the most recent third of Bonds' career. Look at the data yourself.
References:
http://blog.zmag.org/node/2536
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml

posted on Mon, 05/22/2006 - 7:58pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

That is actually considered evidence of his steroid use. As a person ages, their reflexes get slower, and they lose muscle mass. It is unprecedented for a player to improve so dramatically at an age when, physiologically, his skills should be deteriorating.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 6:14pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

You probably could not name 4 actual steriods excluding testosterone if your life depended on it.. Steriods have never been shown to improve reflexes or reaction time.... You like the majority of the media are basically saying that Barry Bonds had discovered the fountain of youth during his late 30's and early 40's... Excluding the 73 homerun season, he has always hit homers in a range attained by lesser players.... It is his slugging percentage and walks, and the ability to see the ball that puts him into the stratoshere when it comes to talent. Just admit that you have no definitive proof and stop allowing the media, John Mcain and all the rest of the people who would have you think steriods are the worst threat to national security out there to mold your very limited perceptions.

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:19pm
Liza's picture
Liza says:

I think you underestimate Gene. :)

Barry Bonds is obviously a talented player. But while steroids may not improve reflexes or reaction time, they WILL help you hit the ball further when you do connect with it.

I do agree with you, though, that a Congressional hearing on steroid use in Major League Baseball seemed crazy. Don't our leaders have more important things to worry about?

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:32pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

As noted in the infamous soccer thread, your last comment is the syllogistic fallacy of the illicit major. In brief, you say:

  • "Other things" are important.
  • Steroids in baseball is not one of those "other things."
  • Therefore, steroids in baseball is not important.

Even if we accept the premise that other things are more important than steroids in baseball (and, OK, I guess they are), it does not mean that steroids are not important or unworthy of Congressional attention.

If you wish to argue that steroids are not a matter for Congress to consider, you must argue from merit, and not merely from comparison.

posted on Sat, 05/19/2007 - 8:56am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

There should be two leagues: dopers and non-dopers.

posted on Sat, 07/28/2007 - 11:19pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Estrogen, progesterone, androgen, testosterone.

It is true that, excluding the 2001 season, Bonds never hit more than 49 home runs in a season -- a number that has been bested many times. However, Bond's peak years of production, 2000 - 2004, came when he was 35 to 39 years old. Hitting this many home runs so late in one's career is unprecedented:

  • In 130 years of major league history, only 11 times has a man aged 35 or over hit 45 or more home runs. Bonds did it five of those eleven times. Ruth did it twice; no one else did it more than once.
  • Since turning 35, Bonds has hit 300 home runs. The next-closest is Aaron with 245.
  • Bonds is the all-time leader for home runs at ages 36, 38 and 39, and is second all-time at ages 35, 37 and 41. At earlier ages? He doesn't exist. He's 7th all-time at age 28 (46 homers in 1993), but doesn't even crack the top 10 at any other age.
  • Prior to age 35, Bonds hit one home run every 15.68 at bats -- an extremely good rate. Since age 35, he has hit one ever 8.77 at-bats -- almost unheard of. (Ruth averaged 1 homer per 11.76 AB over his career, and never did better than 1 in 10 during any 5-year stretch. The record is held by Mark McGwire, another suspected steroid user: 1 home run per 10.61 AB over his career, and 1 in 8.13 during his five peak years.)

In short, this kind of home run production this late in his career is a clear indication that something is up with Bonds.

posted on Sat, 05/19/2007 - 8:49am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Does an increase in HR production show a clear indication that there is something up?
If you look at Hank Aaron's numbers, you'll see that there was not a drop off in HRs until he turned 40. And his HR production at age 35-39 is better than before he turned 35.
age 20-34: 1 HR in 17.4 AB
age 30-34: 1 HR in 17.6 AB
age 35-39: 1 HR in 11.8 AB
How much different are these numbers from Bonds' numbers?

posted on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 3:59pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Significantly. From age 35 to 39, Aaron averaged one home run per 11.82 at bats. Assuming 500 AB per year, that pace works out to a respectable 42 home runs per year. During those same ages, Bonds averaged 8.22 AB / HR, which would work out to a record-obliterating 61 homers per year, every year, for five years. (Due to injuries, Bonds did not have that many at bats. We're looking at averages here.)

After age 39, Aaron aged as baseball players tend to do. In his last three seasons, he averaged 1 HR per 25.62 AB. Bonds, however, has continued at an unnaturally torrid pace: as of mid-June, 1 HR per 12.91 AB, almost twice as hot as Aaron -- or anyone else in the long history of the game.

Something's not right.

posted on Wed, 06/20/2007 - 1:13pm
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ThE fRiEnDlY sTrAnGeR says:

Bonds is a tank, whether he is on steroids or not he's still going to hit those homers. Sure if he is on steroids it gives him the advantage for distance but he still has to be able to pick his pitches and he can do that no problem thats why he's at where he's at.

posted on Tue, 05/23/2006 - 6:43am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

steroids look how huge he is

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:07pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

What year was steroids and muscle enhancing drugs made illegal in baseball??? Has it ever been determined that Barry took steroids, let alone after steroids were deemed illegal in Baseball??? Barry has an amazing swing and form... that is why he hits home runs. Tainted, I think NOT..

How can you say The Babe did it on Beer and Hot Dogs... The Babe took every possible drug out there during his time in Baseball. Different times, different game, different drugs... You can not say Babe or Hank did it on pure baseball skills while saying Barry did not. No one can say what The Babe or Hank took or did not take while playing the game of Baseball.

If and when Barry passes Hank for the Home Run Title... It is truly an amazing feat that should be recognized for what it is... not with an asterisk or anything else...

posted on Tue, 05/23/2006 - 8:08am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Hot dogs and beer are not performance-enhancing drugs. ;-)

To my knowledge, no one has ever accused Hank Aaron of breaking any rules of the game.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 6:16pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

As great as the numbers Hammerin Hank put up.He was pitched to check out his at bats compared to Bond's.There are only 2 members of the 300/400 club and both are named BOND'S.Go further and Barry is a CHARTER member of the 400/400 club as well as something we may never see again,500/500.Get real the man has talent,Ya wanna pick on somebody go after SOSA who never did anything until he started juicing himself and his bat!

posted on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 5:11pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Aaron played in an era where stolen bases were rare. He was in the top 10 in the league 8 times; Bonds made it 9 times. As for home runs, Aaron was in the top ten 18 times; Bonds only 14.

posted on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 2:34pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

how many other players can say theyve been in the top ten in home runs ONLY 14 times...?

posted on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 8:53am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

no they are not that is the best way to get fat and out of shape

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:09pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Hello: What have you been Smoking. Barry Bonds records should be erased. Thankyou Darren

posted on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 9:16am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

His amazing swing only started the last six years of his career, after he put only about 40 pounds of muscle overnight, and that means steroids, so he really is not that fabulous.

posted on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:39pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Steroids does not put everyone on the same level! It helps an individual peform better at what they are already good at. Humans were not cteated equal! If they were, then everyone would have been hitting the same amount of homeruns,with the same batting average, and pitchers would all have the same amount of victories with the same earned run average or as stats post as era. If you want to know about steroids, don't ask the baseball players. I would ask someone in the weightlifting field. No basball player would ever admit to using them, even if they did. I have a lot of respect for Jose Canseco for bringing this out in the open. When Sammy Sosa broke his corked bat during the game, he could not lie about it, because everyone seen it including the umpire. If that had not happened, we would not have known that he used a cork bat during the game.
It's time for the baseball players to come clean. And as for Barry Bonds. He would most likely have had a great career, but no record breakers. During the last decade, STEROIDS have definately been a major factor in statistics of many players.

ALL STATISTICS IN THE LAST DECADE SHOULD BE IN ****.

posted on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 8:11am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yeah it does

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:10pm
DT's picture
DT says:

Like Barry Bonds, Neil Armstrong, was accused of using performance enhancing drugs. Like Bonds, Armstrong denied this and passed tests that he was subjected to. Unlike Bonds however we do not hear all and sundry call for Armstrong's acheivements to be dismissed. Nor do we see the American public calling Armstrong a cheat. Hmm, I wonder why?

posted on Sat, 05/27/2006 - 11:49am
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Anonymous says:

I assume you're writing about Lance Armstrong, the cyclist who won seven Tour deFrances. He was just exhonorated by an international sports commission investigating if he had used steroids. After reading his book, I do know he admits that his body has benefited from some of the drugs used to treat his cancer, but those drugs are not steroids and are not banned by sports associations. Plus, I don't think any of us would want to go through cancer to imporve our athletic abilities.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 5:23pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

armstrong is not using steroids bonds is the one screwing him self up

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:12pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Neil Armstrong was one of the best hitters NASA ever had.

posted on Thu, 05/24/2007 - 10:13am
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brian P says:

How can you say that?
Neil Armstrong was one of NASA's best sluggers!

posted on Thu, 05/24/2007 - 10:21am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

I think the reason we don't hear much about Lance Armstrong's supposed steroid use is because bicycle racing is not a major sport in the United States. Baseball, OTOH, is the National Pastime. Thus, Bonds receives a great deal more attention.

posted on Thu, 05/24/2007 - 1:44pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

The assumption is that if Bonds used steroids he had an unfair advantageby creating an uneven playing field, therefore his record is invalid. If that's the case then all records and accomplishments of white major league players who played before major league was integrated should have all of their records invalidated. They had an unfair advantage because they didn't compete against ALL of the best players available, the Blacks, Hispanics, and Latinos who were excluded.
Have they forgotten about Buck Leonard, Satchel Paige and others?

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 11:04am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

No, for two reasons. First, it wasn't the players' fault. It was the owners who refused to allow blacks into the majors. (There were Hispanic players.)

Second, this did not give an unfair advantage to any individual player. Every player experienced the same circumstances.

posted on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 10:30pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I didn't say anything about whose fault it was. The white players collectively failed to take a stand against the policy, therefore they supported and benefitted from the policy. Nonetheless, they didn't compete against all of the best talent.

posted on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 1:34pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Fault is implicit if you're proposing to delete individual records. "Separate but equal" was the law of the land at the time, and as unjust as it may seem to us today, it is equally unfair to penalize players for obeying the law.

posted on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 7:07pm
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JAck Black says:

For 1 people that are saying "ruth did it on beer" beer was illegal in ruths time due to prohibiton so we might as well scratch all his records right?? People always say "look at him in his 1st year and look at him now ,hes so much bigger" GUESS WHAT that was 20 freakin years ago, 20 years ago i was 4 ft tall now im 6'2" i didnt take steroids, he did not suddenly blow up it was quite gradual over the years try working out for 15 yrs then lets see if u get bigger or not....

posted on Sun, 05/28/2006 - 5:55pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

I'm going to go out on a limb here. If 20 years ago you were 4 feet tall, and today you are 6-foot-2, then I'm going to guess you are about 30 years old. ;-) It is not at all unusual for someone to grow rapidly between the ages of 10 and 30. It is remarkably unusual for someone to bulk up as much as Bonds did (and Sosa, and McGuire) between the ages of 30 and 40 -- unless they had some chemical help.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 6:19pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

no he had the money to buy it

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:13pm
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Haley says:

Barry Bonds is so fake! Everyone knows that he is taking steroids. Who could be stupid enough not to see that! They say that he has been tested and that he didnt have them in his system but i think that those tests are wrong! I think that every MLB player should be tested for steroids because no one wants a fake to be a star! If anyone does still like Barry Bonds, my advice is to not like him and start liking Albert Pujols, he is a great home run hitter that doesnt take steriods!

posted on Sun, 05/28/2006 - 8:18pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

There is no evidence at all to say that barry has takin steriods, so i think everyone should stop having there opion about the big guy, praise how good he is, he has to be able to hit the ball before get any distance on it, praise him for how good he is. Isnt it innocent until proven guilty??? there has been no real proof until then just let him do what he does best.

posted on Wed, 05/31/2006 - 7:30pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

He might be innocent until proven guilty but i believe a guy's hat size does not increases by a couple inches unless he is taking something.

posted on Sat, 06/17/2006 - 10:20pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yeah he is on steroids

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:16pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

well no duh hes a loser he sucks at baseball and furthermore at life he should be banned from baseball

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:20pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Well that was an enlightening comment...

Barry is a great talent , but, the bottom line is he wouldn't have had this "longevity" if it was not for HGH and other performance enhancing drugs. Wheather or not he benefitted from steriods in a baseball sense is not the problem. When you take HGH, you do "cheat " mother nature and your body benefits and does not age in a natural way that a non drug taking player has to contend with. You benefit and have an unfair advantage that drug taking players do not have. This point makes it necessary to put an asterisk next to his accomplishments no matter how great a talent he is.

posted on Wed, 05/30/2007 - 12:46pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

You probably don't like Bonds because he is not " Mr Nice Guy" Respect the mans talent and accept that steriods do not make you hit a a baseball, If they did I would be in the majors right now instead of sitting at a crummy desk job responding to idiocy and media driven hatred of a truly gifted and dynamic athlete. You probably think Jose Canseco tried to out everyone because he had a crisis of conscience!!

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:32pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Steroids would help him heal faster. The older you get the longer it takes to recuperate. If you play back to back games include travel time, your sleep suffers. Your body heals and grows only when you sleep. The Meds/Roids help make up the difference. They can only play Pro for a limited amount of years and the body sooner or later gives out. Roids are not the magic potion everyone makes them out to be. They work but only shave a few years off you training, You look like a ten year builder only after seven years. You still have to lift the same amount of weight as the ten year builder you just heal a little faster between workouts so you can squeeze 4 workouts instead of 3 per week. Multiply that by 7 years and you bigger. No magic just simple math and lots of hard work. Even with roids most don't make it. As for Mr. Bonds good work. Now you can retire and give those bones a well earned rest.

posted on Sun, 05/28/2006 - 8:41pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

he is using it for more muscle

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:15pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

All of yall that say taking steroids helped Barry Bonds to hit home runs are idiots!! Take some steroids and try to hit a 90-100 mile per hour fastball 400 ft. Do any of you guys even know that you still have to work out to build muscle on steroids. I mean America cant be this stupid. Ya'll are all racist and don't want to see the black man rise twice over the beloved Babe. I tell you what all of ya'll old people that don't like him because of steroids stop watching baseball baby because before Barry Bonds started getting close to Babe this was a boring game. Matter of fact I bet all the critics of Bonds don't even bring up the fact that Mark Mcguire was doing the same thing. This country celebrated that record. "Baseball is back" was being chanted by all. But shame on the black man for working hard and hitting home runs. Barry crushed Marks whimpy home run record. Just truly use the little common sense that America has now-a-days and tell me this is not one hell of a feat. Quit being some damn Iraqi terrorists and watch baseball. Leave Barry Bonds alone.

posted on Wed, 05/31/2006 - 5:30pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

I doubt race has much to do with it. Critics bring up McGuire and Palmiero all the time. And I haven't heard anyone mention Hank Aaron being black in some 30 years. I think it has more to do with Bonds not being a very nice person.

Baseball has always been a wonderful game -- the most perfect invention of the mind of man -- but during the steroid era it actually became quite boring. All strategy took a back seat to showy but aesthetically empty home runs.

posted on Fri, 06/02/2006 - 6:22pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

no i am not look at him when he started playing MLB and look at him now

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:19pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

How did this get to be about racism? You have a problem, don't blame everyone else for your problems. There are just as many other races on this list as Bonds. He is a steroid user buddy. How else do you explain a sudden, overnight 40 pound muscle gain. The good fairies of the north, visited him one night a waved their wands and wham instant muscle. Get real. Them there are steroid muscles, which means Bonds is a cheated and a liar.

posted on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:45pm
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Donaldo says:

Bonds is a low life cheater, plain and simple. Read the book. Yea, right. A player in the last days of his career goes from a previous high of 46 home runs in one season to 73. Yea, that's right, just a few more reps in the weight room. And what of the recovery time from injuries? He is a complete joke. He has sullied what would have been a brilliant career. He just couldn't stand the fact that that Sosa and MacGwire, both cheaters, were getting more attention than him. While I'm at it, there is simply no power hitter like the Babe. He hit a fungo 447' for Christs' sake. He hit the old dead ball 425' as an eighteen year old school boy. And don't forget that Aaron had nearly 4,000 more at bats than Ruth, Bonds over a thousand more. Babe can be measured only against his peers, but what a comparison. One year, he alone hit more home runs than any other team in the American League! He is unquestionably the greatest player in history. No doubt you all remember Walter Johnson, a.k.a. "The Big Train", the King of the shutout (110 in his career). As a pitcher for Boston, Ruth went up against Johnson nine times. He won six of the nine and three of his victories were shutouts!
Trivia: Who hit the first home run in an All Star game? Who stole home a total of nine times, which is more than Lou Brock in that department? Who hit the the first home run in Yankee Stadium? Who was the first player to hit 30 home runs? 40? 50? 60? Who was the first player to hit three home runs in a world series game, twice? Who was the first player to hit one out of the Polo Grounds? Who hit one completely out of Forbes Field in his final year of play? Who was the first player to hit four home runs in a world series game? Which pitcher's record for consecutive scoreless innings pitched in the world series lasted for over forty years? Who hit .625 in a four game series?
I think you all know the answer. It was the Colossus of Clout. The Prince of Pounders. The Behemoth of Bust. The Sultan of Swat. The Maharajah of Mash. The Wali of Wallop. The Rajah of Rap. The Caliph of Clout. The Wazir of Wham. The one and only, the Bambino. The Big Bam. THE BABE!

posted on Wed, 05/31/2006 - 7:25pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yes he is cheating with his little friend steroids

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:21pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Hello; It looks like you have been reading your Sports history, from what you have said in your comments, which i'm sure that they are true, then i would have to say that Babe Ruth was the Greatest home run hitter of all time. If you think about it Aaron had 4000 more at bats than Ruth and Bonds 1000 more. The Babe,s HR to AB Ratio is much higher than the other 2. Babe Ruth is the greatest. Thank you Darren

posted on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 9:44am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

You sound to me like one of those Caucasions who does not want to accept the fact that the all time homerun leaders are two brilliant Black men.. I am tired of hearing about a fat drunk who played in the early 1900's the reality is that Barry Bonds is the greatest all around hitter the game has ever seen. You need to face it and find another sport that crude white men dominate ie (Hockey)

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 2:15pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I'm getting sick and tired of people saying this is about race. People have made really good points and its just that you don't have anything better to say than "You can't accept that the best HR hitter in baseball is black." No one said anything about not liking Barry Bonds because he is black. You are telling the people with good points not the judge him before they have good evidence, yet you are judging them, saying they are racist.

posted on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 12:28pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Does anyone realize that a more important issue regarding the use of "illegal steroids" in this country has to do with how many COPS and PRISON GUARDS take them in order to bulk up? It is a huge problem, because it contributes to increased police brutality/guard misconduct and even wrongful death cases involving officers who are too aggressive.

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 1:42am
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Liza says:

This is an interesting and provocative comment. But you don't cite any evidence. If you back up your facts by citing a source, your argument will be much stronger.

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 10:59am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

i am doing a debate on steroids being cheating on sports

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 9:59am
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Thomas Wagner says:

i say that bonds is a cheater but there shouldnt be an asteric. he would still have at least 500 hrs w/o steroids.

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 10:23am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yeah he is a cheater

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:23pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

its all in his head taking steriods gives him a physcological edge

posted on Thu, 06/01/2006 - 10:28am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yeah

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:24pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

If they don't help why is nobody hitting 65 or 70 home runs anymore?

posted on Mon, 06/05/2006 - 11:38pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yeah they do look at barry bonds

posted on Sat, 06/10/2006 - 1:25pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

That is not correct. Since 2001, Bonds has not hit more than 46 home runs in any season.

In the three seasons between 1999 and 2001, players hit 60 or more home runs six times. No one has hit that many since. In fact, in the last five seasons, only three players have hit as many as 50.

posted on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 2:43pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

as bariod bonds would say,"I diddn't do nothin'

posted on Tue, 06/06/2006 - 10:31am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

While it is true that you must be a great hitter to hit a major league homerun, people forget that almost every hitter in major league is a great hitter. Bonds, with or without steriods, has always had a quick bat and been a great hitter, maybe one of the best. For someone to state that steriods doesn't help you hit homeruns is foregoing this fact. Steriods wouldn't help me hit homeruns, because I would never even make contact with a major league fastball. However, for major league hitters, steriods could add 50 to 100 extra feet of ball flight. Take an average 30 homerun hitter, and add 50 to 100 feet onto everyone of his hits. How many of those pop-flies and long-liners turn into homeruns? (20-35) But to be fair, who is the bigger cheater? Maguire looks like he was taking steriods or HGH for most of his career. Bonds looks like he started in 1999 to even the playing field. It is a documented fact that he scoffed at Maguire's record by saying, "I am ten times the hitter he is!" In my opinion, Bonds has been a much better hitter than Maguire in their careers. Once they were both on the juice, it was evident that the better hitter has more homeruns.
What is sad to me is not that Bonds passed Ruth, but if he passes Hank Aaron. Aaron had to go through so many issues and ignorance when he established the record. I think it would be disrespectgul to Aaron, who did it the right way and with class, to be replaced by a cheater, who acts like a jerk!

posted on Sat, 07/15/2006 - 12:56am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Even if he is taking steroids it doesn't help him with all of his home runs. Even though steroids build muscle it dosent help u hit the ball and if you cant hit the ball you cant get any home runs.

posted on Sun, 08/20/2006 - 7:48pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Perhaps not, but steroids DO help you hit the ball further.

posted on Fri, 08/25/2006 - 6:55pm
William's picture
William says:

I juice up in college ball and it helped me hit the ball harder and further and added 5 mhp to my fastball. So how it doesn't help I'm not sure. And if the guy isn't juicing up, why's his trainer refusing to testify. An innocent man would testify. But he's covering Bonds.

posted on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 6:53pm
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Anonymous says:

Did you ever think that you gained more power in college and a faster fast ball because you were in college, and getting older. You know how many people I know who started hitting harder in college and most pitchers fast ball goes up until they are between 20 and 22. My best friend added six miles an hour in one year from learning better technique and the long toss drills. Trust me he wasn't juicin.

Ya the juice probably helped you but chances are you would have gained 3 or 4 miles per hour on the fastball anyways, and college practice would have def made you a better hitter than you were in high school.

posted on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 9:48pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Bonds is a Cheater, Chumps.

posted on Mon, 09/18/2006 - 7:08pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Im writing a paper about do steroids enhance performance?
I have read some comments and if he has been tested then why are they still testing him? Do they think he is going to slip up?
If Babe Ruth and other people have done this without taking steroids then why can't he. Do people know if Babe Ruth was taking something to improve his perfromance or any other player for that matter? I belive people can do things with out taking steroids, you just haveto be decated and train really hard or just be good at it.

posted on Wed, 09/20/2006 - 8:23pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Why is it that some people still believe Bonds never did the juice?? He admitted it!! true he said it was "an accident" but I think we all knoew thats a load of BS, come on, as a player who is more or less the face of baseball it's his right to know what goes into his body

posted on Tue, 10/03/2006 - 9:37am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I personally think that Bonds did NOT use any steriods.. and if the small chance that he did you are right it does not affect him. but if he did take steriods.. wouldnt he be a fast runner? seeing as how steriods gets u all muscular why wouldnt it help his leg muscles and make him fasster? and also he is pretty big but its not all muscle he is a big because he is aging and cant really exercise as mucb

posted on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 11:54am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

barry bonds is a perfect example of what the mlb needs to look out for and kick them out

posted on Tue, 12/19/2006 - 3:44pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Bonds Homeruns should NOT count
Hes a cheater
His best friends are steroids

posted on Fri, 01/19/2007 - 6:42pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Mark McGwire, the first man to hit more than 61 home runs in a season, and the player with the best At Bats per Home Run ratio in the history of the game, has also been widely accused of using steroids. He became eligible for election to the Baseball Hall of Fame for the first time last year, and received only 128 votes -- less than one-third the total needed for election.

Election to the Hall of Fame is based on more than just statistics -- it also includes integrity, sportsmanship and character. Many sportwriters (who vote on the players to be admitted to the Hall) felt that McGwire fell short in these areas. (Along similar lines, Pete Rose, the player with the most total hits in the history of the game, is ineligible for induction into the Hall because of his gambling on the sport.)

The article linked above includes a lengthy discussion of the role McGwire's alleged steroid use played in writer's decisions.

posted on Fri, 01/26/2007 - 11:06am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Mark miguire has been prooven to have used steriords this was in the paper a while back and because of that i think his record should be taken away

posted on Fri, 01/26/2007 - 1:07pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

barry bonds has skillz so dont be hatin

posted on Fri, 01/26/2007 - 2:47pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

barry is good

posted on Wed, 02/07/2007 - 9:55am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Barry is not good. He is full of Steroids (HGH) Human Growth Hormones, the Cream you name it. Barry Bonds is a walking Medicine Cabinet. Thank you Darren

posted on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 9:58am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Bonds was great, however he should not have taken steriords anyway. So don't be hatin!!!!!!

posted on Wed, 02/07/2007 - 11:55am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

regardles if bonds is using steroids or not, thier has been no proof that shows using roids help someone hit the ball better. When actually using steroids effects vision. If bonds can hit the ball, its from having good sight.

posted on Thu, 02/08/2007 - 2:57pm
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Angelo says:

Do you think that the ball parks factor into the argument? For the first part of his career, Bonds played half his games in Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh and Candlestick Park in San Francisco. Candlestick Park was reputed to be the windiest park in the major leagues; these parks were not exactly reputed to be "hitter's parks". Ruth played earlier in the old Polo Grounds until Yankee Stadium was built in 1925 I believe. Take a look at the right field fence at that time.

The scientific community does not conclude definitely that sterioid use directly improves much less enhances athletic performance. Baseball is not a sport that lends itself to direct strength. Hand/eye coordination, reflexes, technique and a good eye are greater factors in becoming a successful hitter. I would use the anlogy of a student who scores high on tests; does he do well by studying more? or does his coffee drinking "enhance" his performance?

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Three Rivers Stadium Dimensions: Foul lines: 340 (1970), 335 ft. (1975); power alleys: 385 ft. (1970), 375 ft. (1975); center field: 410 ft. (1970), 400 ft. (1975); backstop: 60 ft., foul territory: large.

Candlestick ParkDimensions: Left field: 330 (1960), 335 (1968); left-center: 397 (1960), 365 (1961); center field: 420 (1960), 410 (1961), 400 (1982); right-center: 397 (1960), 365 (1961), 365 (1982); right field: 330 (1965), 335 (1968), 330 (1991), 328 (1993); backstop: 73 (1960), 70 (1961), 55 (1975), 65 (1982), 66 (1985); foul territory: very large.

AT&T Dimensions: Left field: 335 feet (2000), 339 feet (2004); left-center: 364 feet (2000), 364 feet (2004); center field: 404 feet (2000), 399 feet (2004); right-center: 420 feet (2000), 421 feet (2004); right field: 307 feet (2000), 309 feet (2004); backstop: 48 feet (2000).

Yankee Stadium Dimensions:Dimensions: Left field: 280.58 (1923), 301 (1928), 312 (1976), 318 (1988); left side of bullpen gate in short left-center: 395 (1923), 402 (1928), 387 (1976), 379 (1985); right side of bullpen gate: 415 (1937); deepest left-center: 500 (1923), 490 (1924), 457 (1937), 430 (1976), 411 (1985), 399 (1988); left side of cente-field screen: 466 (1937); center field: 487 (1923), 461 (1937), 463 (1967), 417 (1976), 410 (1985), 408 (1988); deepest right-center: 429 (1923), 407 (1937), 385 (1976); left side of bullpen gate in short right-center: 350 (1923), 367 (1937), 353 (1976); right side of bullpen gate: 344 (1937); right field 294.75 (1923), 295 (1930), 296 (1939), 310 (1976), 314 (1988); backstop: 82 (1942), 80 (1953), 84 (1976); foul territory: large for the catcher behind home plate, but small for fielders down the foul lines.

posted on Wed, 02/28/2007 - 4:18am
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Dan Lynn says:

Hank Aaron is the current Home Run King - not Babe Ruth
If Hank did steroids the record would be well over 900 homeruns

posted on Sat, 03/10/2007 - 7:17am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

That is a stupid analogy. Coffee just keeps you awake!. It does not help create muscle mass like steroids do. The truth is Barry has always been a great hitter. Yes he can hit!! But the steroids gave him more power when he does hit. More power at contact makes the ball go farther. More distance means more homeruns. It is as simple as that. You people are completely idiotic to think that the steroid didn't make him hit more homeruns. Yes Barry Bonds was a great hitter before the roids. I can't give Ray Durham steroids and have him hit 70 homeruns, but the steroid definitely affected Bonds homerun count. Anyone who thinks differently is a complete idiot.

posted on Thu, 03/29/2007 - 9:00am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

First of all, we need to calm down a bit. No need for name-calling.

Second, it's an analogy. Angelo was not suggesting the coffee makes you stronger. Rather, he was suggesting that coffee enhances mental abilities in the same way the steroids enhance physical abilities. I am not qualified to comment on that. However, it seems as if Anonymous is saying the same thing. Bonds already had a lot of talent, steroids would just give him an "edge." Similarly, a student must already have a lot of brains; coffee may simply give them an "edge," too.

posted on Thu, 03/29/2007 - 4:28pm
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NFL 86 says:

i just think that people need to wuit worrying about taking steroids and just let the players play the game.

posted on Mon, 03/05/2007 - 3:09pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Barry Bonds is a Disgrace to the Game

posted on Mon, 04/02/2007 - 7:25am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

not true

posted on Mon, 04/02/2007 - 9:56am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

barry bonds is hitting homeruns all by himself without steriods.

posted on Mon, 04/02/2007 - 9:59am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

who said that he's not takingsteriods?

posted on Mon, 04/02/2007 - 1:33pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

barry bons is one of the best plares beacause he trains to be one not beacause he took steroids and even if you take them you dont otimakly become super strong you have to train rely hard thats why he is the best

posted on Wed, 04/11/2007 - 2:28pm
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Anonymous says:

Nobody puts on 40 pounds of muscle overnight without the juice. He practiced his tail off, and did not do so well, until six years ago, when suddenly he was a muscled up overnight. Guess how it got all those sudden muscles?

posted on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:50pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

how long did sosa use a corked bat? does that mean his records should be erased to? of course not. they are both amazing athletes and great hitters.

posted on Mon, 04/16/2007 - 3:23am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

What about Joe Jackson? One of the greatest players ever, he's banned from the Hall of Fame for his role in throwing the 1919 World Series. (Though he himself apparently did not cheat, he also did not report what he knew about his teammates who were purposely losing the games, thus making him an accomplice.)

What about Pete Rose? Most hits in a career by any player, ever. But he, too, is banned from baseball for breaking the rules and gambling on games.

Perhaps that is the compromise: let the records stand -- it's virtually impossible to separate "honest" achievements from those enhanced by cheating -- but keep proven cheaters out of the game.

posted on Mon, 04/16/2007 - 11:48am
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The answer to the question is NO. Not really. There are tons of players who have been caught. You know what most of those players have in common? They are pitchers. What else? The hitters that have been caught (except for Palmeiro) SUCK. If steroids were a wonderdrug that suddenly made you hit home runs then that wouldn't be the case.

The whole Barry Bonds lynch mentality is so retarded and illogical it makes me sick. It's especially sad because so many people are missing out on truly appreciating the GREATEST HITTER OF ALL TIME. And that's exactly what Barry Bonds is. You should watch him now and appreciate that you are lucky enough to be see him play.

posted on Tue, 04/17/2007 - 1:41pm
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Gene says:

Better than Cobb, Ruth or Williams? With or without steroids, I think you'd get an argument there.

posted on Tue, 04/17/2007 - 6:40pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

In a country where a man is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, it is amazing to me that one man can cause so much controversy with what he has allegedly done. Whether you like him, hate him, or don’t care, you have probably heard something about Barry Bonds and steroids. With the media following his every move, Bonds has refused to talk about the issue. Some say that is because he is guilty and has nothing to say, but others say that Bonds hasn’t done anything wrong and is rightly dismissing the issue and dealing with what he does best – playing baseball.

With the announcement of performance enhancing drug testing for Major League Baseball, baseball fans could immediately see a difference. Suddenly, their heroes seemed to get smaller. In fact, since MLB’s testing began, many players have “slimmed down” quite dramatically. Ivan Rodriguez (suspected of using steroids) and Jason Giambi (admitted user) both lost large amounts of weight rather quickly. Giambi had a parasite and suddenly lost 70 pounds. Giambi did prove later last season that he is an incredibly talented player without steroids, hitting well and bashing 32 HR on the year. “Pudge” Rodriguez could almost change his nickname to “Slim” after losing weight so quickly, but although his average dropped, he had a pretty typical season. So, in the trend of shrinking ballplayers, what is going on with Bonds? Why has he maintained the same weight, hovering around 230? Why hasn’t he “slimmed” down? In my mind, there can only be two answers – either he is still using steroids or some other undetectable drug, or Bonds really only used the “cream” and the “clear” briefly and then discarded them. To understand why I feel this way, you have to understand what happens to a person when they go off steroids.

Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale, a World-Renowned Nutrition and Sports Medicine Expert compares steroids to a roller coaster. Getting off is not easy. “So you decide to stop using and within a few months (the wimp transformation starts after about three to four weeks depending on how much stuff you’ve been on) you lose so much size that even your own mother doesn’t recognize you.”

Dr. Pasquale then discusses why this happens, “When you use physiological (like baby bear's porridge, just the right amount for your body) to supraphysiological (i.e. more than would ever be in your system naturally) amounts of testosterone and/or anabolic steroids (regardless of the kind of anabolic steroid), and even prohormones (leaving aside the question of whether they work like steroids or not, they definitely have some of the same side effects) your body shuts down the machinery that normally produces your own testosterone and other androgens.
The body seems to be saying, ‘if you're providing me with the stuff, then I don't need to make it - wake me up when you need me to make some.’ The problem is that waking the body up is sometimes difficult and at times impossible. It's as if the machinery has seized up from not being used. Sometimes no matter what you do, you can't get it going again.
What this all means is that even if you want to stop using anabolic steroids, sometimes you can't because your body won't co-operate.

If you try going off the steroids, you don't produce enough of your own testosterone to keep yourself from losing more muscle than you gained from using the steroids. That's right. Not only do you lose any muscle you gained while you were on the juice, but you also lose some that you had before you used drugs. What a bummer.

No wonder it's so hard to get off steroids once you've used them. If you go off them you end up looking like you never went through puberty and feel like you wish you hadn't, and if you stay on them you're worried to death of what they might be doing to you.”

So if Dr. Pasquale knows what he is talking about, then Barry Bonds should have shriveled up after getting off the steroids. And yet, Bonds has continued to look the same, prompting the media to constantly mention his huge head and swollen upper torso. According to multiple test results, Bonds has not been taking steroids for the past three years. So either he has found some new undetectable steroid and is testing it out, knowing that no one would ever suspect him or watch him closely, or he simply tried out the “cream” and “clear” as he said in his testimony, didn’t get much use, and continued using his normal supplements without steroids. If the latter is the case, then the greatest player this generation has ever seen deserves a huge apology from baseball nation.

posted on Thu, 04/19/2007 - 11:13am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

There are different types of steroids and growth hormones that have extremely different effects once you go off of them. The ones that leave you smaller aren't as popular with proffesional atheletes and haven't been for a long time.

The 'Doc' has a narrow scope of the after effects of using steroids. All of the health issues I agree with, however.

posted on Sun, 11/25/2007 - 12:02am
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Boo Boo says:

First thing first. With or without steroids Bonds was one of the greatest all around players to EVER play the game. Would all the Anti Bonds people at least agree that 500/500 was achieved without steroids? How about the 7-8 gold gloves...I believe those were all attained prior to him bulking up. I do agree that Bonds DID use performance enhancing drugs. But at the same time so did tons of other players during the mid 90's until about 02-03. There was actually a random test done a few years back that MLB did and promised to keep in complete confidentiality. Over 100 players tested positve for steroids. So to pin point one man is simply unfair. Blame baseball, not Barry Bonds. Bonds wasn't the first, the last, nor the only so how is he some villian? Mark McGwire admited to using Andro which was a "legal" steroid at the time, yet it was a performance enhancer. The media and fans swarmed around him and Sosa who were both obviously juicing yet no one seemed to care. Now all of a sudden people care? Why? Bonds was already the best all around player in the game before steroids. People talk about the begining of his career and his homruns totals then...back in the 80's when he was a lead off man. Back in the 80's before he moved to a smaller park, before the baseballs were tighter wound. Sure steroids increased his power numbers, but steroids is nothing more then the evolution of the game. Baseball turned it's back on it and allowed it to happen. It was not a banned substance in the MLB so realisticly you can't take his numbers away. Sure they will be tainted in most peoples eyes. Yeah Ruth and Hank were both great players in different era's. Ruth played in a field with a right field line of only 280 feet. Now a days we have the best players in the WORLD playing. Not like when Ruth played and it was strictly an east coast WHITE game. As stated above, Bonds has been in the top TEN in the league in homeruns 14 times in his career...so people act like he has all of a sudden become a power hitter. The game has evolved and Bonds did with it. He was just better then everyone else. You want to look at a stat, look at Bonds strike out totals and how they have decreased or his walk totals. Tell me this man hasn't put in the time to become a better hitter. To be more patient. The man was probably one of the top 3 fielding left fielders to ever play. One of the games better base runners and obviously one of it's best hitters yet people act as if he is a fraud. Bonds was the second coming of Willie Mays far before Steroids were problem. As for me....I will love to see him set the record. At age 42 the man is still able to hit, he is still feared and is still yet to fail a drug test. Just give the man some of his due.

posted on Thu, 04/19/2007 - 6:21pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

You raise many valid points, but a few small points need to be raised. It is incorrect to say that nobody cares about Sosa and McGwire. Sosa, who is still active, is pretty universally reviled. McGwire, who is retired and eligible for the Hall of Fame, received only 25% of the vote, despite despite being the most prolific home run hitter of all time (in terms of AB / HR.)

Also, while it is true Bonds is drawing more walks, that is due to a tremendous increase in the number of intentional passes he receives. It's not so much a matter of him being more disciplined at the plate; it's more due to pitchers working him carefully, walking him rather than letting him hit.

Just because something is not illegal doesn't make it OK. Fans want to see humans perform to the best of their abilities; we don't want to pay money to see drugs perform.

One point that I don't believe has been made is that Bonds has a well-deserved reputation for being, well, a jerk. He has a huge ego, and frequently bad-mouths teammates, managers, front office staff, opposing players, etc. He is rude to the press and not exactly warm to the fans. None of this reduces his accomplishments in the slightest. (Cobb and Williams were notoriously mean, too.) But it does explain why people are jumping all over him for steroids -- we were already predisposed to dislike him.

posted on Fri, 04/20/2007 - 9:12am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yes, but he still has the power to hit it because he still has to have good i coordination.

posted on Fri, 04/20/2007 - 10:22am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I'm writing a persuasive essay on whether or not if barry bonds breaks the all time homerun record should it count? I'm thinking it should not because he did not do it all on his own. What does everyone think? should it count or not. and if anyone has any information that might be helpful in my essay plz comment on this site!
Thanks for your help!

posted on Fri, 04/20/2007 - 10:55am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

i think he took sreroids but he doesnt anymore, hes doing way better with out them to

posted on Mon, 04/23/2007 - 12:45pm
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Fan of Baseball says:

Whether Bonds breaks Aarons homerun record or not, I don't think his homeruns should be recognized. He admittidly has taken steroids during a period of time although he claims that he didn't know he was (what do you expect him to say). This amounts to cheating the game, the fans, and all of the former and present ball players.

It would not be fair to all of the former and present players who have not taken any performance enhancing drugs (knowingly or unknowingly) and have acheived a certain levels and records that they have received recognition for. Recognizing Bonds or anyone else who has 'cheated' would send the message that we don't care how you get the record, it's just getting there that counts. You can cheat, lie, steal, etc. and we'll still give you the recognition. What incentive do the honest, hard-working players, and the youngsters who are watching, have to play fair, work hard, and be an upstanding representative for the game.

Baseball is one of the few gentlemen, respectable sports where the players don't trash talk, taunt the opposing players, do a cocky celebration dance, and generally just act like a child during the game. We need to maintain the integrity of the game, and let those who would tarnish the game know that you will not be rewarded or recognized for making a mockery of the game of baseball.

Bonds has lied, cheated, and deceived the league, the legal authorities, and we the public, so we need to let him know that there are consequences to his actions. The public and sports writers spoke on McGuire's status, and so we should when it comes time on Bonds. Keep integrity in baseball. Don't dilute the record books.

posted on Thu, 05/03/2007 - 11:45am
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Fan of Baseball says:

I would like to amend my posting to say this: Only 2 players had ever hit 60 homeruns in 100 years of baseball until steriods came along. Then we had 3 players hitting around 70 or more in the same years. This wasn't coincidence. Bonds had never hit more than 50 in a year throughout his career and most of the time less than 40, until he started taking steriods. All of sudden he goes from hitting less than 50 to 73 in one year. The balls that all players hit that end up just short of the wall on the warning track, all of a sudden are going 20 feet farther. That's all the difference that is needed from steriods to make a huge difference during a season. It's just not fair to the game, the former and present players, and the fans.

posted on Thu, 05/03/2007 - 11:51am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Bonds was a great player before he became a lab rat for Balco. Whe he decided to destroy his legacy with drugs is hard to understand.

The reality is that steroids do not only make a person bigger and stronger. They help the body heal quicker and in the example of a player like Bonds who is palying well beyond the age of the average baseball player the roids are not only allow him to play for years after he should have retired but play at a high level. The fact is without the steroids Bonds not only would not be playing now, he wouldn't be hitting the home runs he's been hitting.

Barry Bonds is a cheat and no matter how many homeruns he ends up with, his legacy will always be that the only reason he passed Ruth or will pass Arron is because he took steroids and other chemical substances.

posted on Sat, 05/05/2007 - 8:52am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Only a small percentage of homers clear the fence by less than 20 feet! Furthermore, pitchers gain more from steroids since they damage their arm every time out and steroids are for recovery.

posted on Sat, 05/05/2007 - 3:49pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Do you have statistics to back this up? For logic would tell us that more balls are hit 300 feet than 310; more are hit 310 than 320; and so on. The highlight reels tend to focus on the mighty blasts, but if you watch the game day-in day-out (as, I confess, I have), you'll see an awful lot of homers just clear the fence.

posted on Sat, 05/05/2007 - 8:20pm
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There is some more discussion over here on a new story - A numbers game: Gustavus students study steroids’ impact on home run hitters

posted on Mon, 05/07/2007 - 4:43pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

dude barry bonds is awesome

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:21pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Man that Man ain't taking know steriod he natural just like jackie Robinson

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:27pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I say that Bary Bonds stinks

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:30pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

barry bonds probably takes steriods, but hey thats cool, i mean who realy cares

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:30pm
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Liza says:

Just a reminder: keep it civil! You can disagree with other posters, but no name-calling or personal attacks, please. Check out our community guidelines for the rules if you don't already know them.

posted on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:37pm
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James says:

It is very difficult for facts to cut through the cloud of hate.
Everyone knows that just being big isn't going to help you hit a baseball. In faqct many careers in baseball have been ruined by Pitchers and hitters bulking up.

THe key to hitting a baseball is bat speed and wrist snap. Anyone who has hit a baseball for a living knows that. Why take steroids, supplements, vitamans or folic acid every day? It helps you maintain your body and stay healthy.
There will be 10 pitchers starting games in the next couple days in the MLB who are 40 years old or older. If you take care of your body the hope is that you can play longer and maybe prolong your peak years.
Modern professional athletes are more concerned about their deit and bodies than the guys in previous generations.

Because most Americans refuse to take any science course after the 9th grade and we rank near the bottom of Science education and literacy in the western world it shouldn't be that shocking that most Americans analysis of the Bonds situation is he got bigger so he can hit better. It isn't that simple and it is impossible for some one who actually has had Human Physiology and Anatomy courses to explain it to someone with that mind set.
There have been maybe 3 people in the history of MLB with Bond's hand eye coordination and almost 6th sense for picking out pitchs to swing at and to let go. For folks not to marvel at and appreciate his greatness is a sad reflection of where our popular culture is, we care so much about the National Enquirer aspects of life that it destroys our ability to appreciate who great this generation of baseball players have been. We nearly destroyed the Presidency of the best leadership we have had in the WH in the past 25 years because of sexual transgressions. The good things he did be damned.
Scandal, has become the opiate of the masses. While we enter the 4th year of our invasion of another country I find it amazing that Barry Bonds is despised more than George W. Bush by some of us. How a guy hitting maybe 15-20 HRs more than he should could be considered worse than killing 100,000s of innocents and destroying the US Army is a mystery to me.

posted on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 11:49am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Let's keep our comments focused on science rather than politics. (Or, if you must focus on politics, at least do us the favor of getting your facts straight.)

posted on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 1:08pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Its just cuz hes black aint it

posted on Mon, 05/14/2007 - 2:26pm
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Juicin Barry says:

The reason, among many that steroids has unfairly aided Barry Bonds is because he was able to maintain a level of strength and resilience over the long baseball seasons that a non-steroid using player would not have. If you read the book by the San Francisco reporters, there is strong evidence of Bonds' steroid use.

The one uncontroversial fact is that steroids work. Barry Bonds took steroids but he was also one of the hardest training athletes in baseball. But the difference between taking steroids and working out hard and simply working out hard is the difference between a bazooka and a slingshot.

posted on Wed, 05/16/2007 - 7:39pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Many people obsess over San Francisco baseball player Barry Bond's alleged use of performance improving steroids. To them, he is a cheater who failed as a role model and who destroyed the integrity of Major League Baseball's (MLB) home run records. MLB destroyed the integrity of its home run records by not establishing standards for home runs.

The accusation that Bonds failed as a role model is easily dismissed. He and other professional sports players are performers in the entertainment industry. The ability to hit a baseball, with or without steroids does not make him or anybody a role model for how young people should conduct their lives. American society’s role model problem is how it uses professional athletes as replacements for the people in role models positions like elected leaders, business leaders and school administrators who fail their responsibility.

Some people encourage Congress to investigate and prosecute Bonds for lying to it about using steroids. Congress should not involve itself since MLB is not legally a part of interstate commerce. Therefore, it is not under its jurisdiction. Congress has other important issues to look into like why the 9/11 attacks happened. In addition, it needs to look into the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina, President Bush’s violation of the Constitution and the lack of security checks for shipping containers entering the United States.

Major League Baseball already compromised the integrity of its records by having different and changing standards for home runs. Baseball fans considered Babe Ruth as the best hitter in MLB during his time and his records a standard. However, Ruth performed this feat when MLB banned Black American baseball players. He competed only against White American players and not against the best pitchers and hitters of his time. Probably, he would have fewer home runs if he competed against the best. Therefore, his home run record is not a good standard.

Many people who saw the play of Ruth and Josh Gibson of the Negro Leagues rated Gibson the better hitter. Satchel Page joined MLB from the Negro Leagues near the end of his career and still pitched there impressively. Hank Aaron entered MLB in 1954 and surpassed Ruth for total home runs. Although they started late because of racial discrimination, Black American baseball players are 10 of 20 MLB hitters with 500 home runs. They are 3 of 4 hitters with more than 600 home runs and 2 of 3 hitters with more than 700 home runs with Ruth being the one other. Those accomplishments show that MLB baseball records before they came did not represent the best performances of professional baseball.

It is fair to note that Babe Ruth played when the baseball was not as lively and a player needed more power to hit home runs. In addition, the MLB schedule was shorter and teams played fewer games before the schedule increased to 162 games in 1962. On the other hand, new rules like the "Designated hitter" in the American League mean that batters face stronger pitching throughout the game because pitchers do not use energy batting.

Teams replace starting pitchers with relief specialist earlier in the game than when Ruth played. This places batters at disadvantage where they rarely bat against tired pitchers in the late innings as Ruth did when pitchers, batted and often pitched complete games. Changing playing conditions undermine the integrity of MLB batting records because players accomplish them under different playing conditions.

Baseball purists rightfully disapprove players using steroids to improve their performance over what they could do from natural ability and physical conditioning. In addition, they should question the integrity of home runs ballplayers hit after teams give them intravenous fluids to keep them playing after they suffer from dehydration. This practice also artificially improves a player’s ability to perform above what their natural body conditioning allows.

Baseball parks have different outfield dimensions. Some Baseball owners shorten the distance from home plate to the outfield wall to increase the number of home runs their team hits. Other ballpark owners extend field dimensions to help their pitchers avoid home runs. Therefore, where a baseball player plays his home games artificially affects his home run totals. No sport can claim integrity of performance records when it allows unlike playing conditions in parks.

MLB is the only professional team sport organization without a standard playing surface and that allows park owners and each league to set different rules for scoring. Therefore, it is hypocritical for people to claim Barry Bond's alleged use of steroids compromised the integrity of MLB baseball home run records when the league obviously has no real standards for home runs.

Written by Kenneth Brooks

posted on Fri, 05/18/2007 - 9:45am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

This post is taken entirely from this site. When quoting from a site, it is best to take only short passages, and not cut-and-paste the entire thing. It is also good netiquitte to provide a link to the original. (I also note that the original page prohibits reproduction. I hope you got permission to copy this.)

The article makes many valid points. But I think the author needs to look up the word "integrity." (He may also want to look up the Constitution, but that's a different blog. ;-) It means "rigid adherence to a code or standard of values." It doesn't say anything about those codes or standards changing. Baseball has always had a variety of park layouts. That is part of its values. It has never condoned players taking unfair advantage.

Athletes and entertainers ARE role models. They probably shouldn't be, but they are. Everyone who enters these professions goes in knowing this is the case. They have an obligation not to betray the public's trust. They may not want the public's trust; they may believe it is misplaced. But it comes with the territory nevertheless.

The dehydration argument is specious. Hydrating a player is an accepted medical practice necessary to keep one healthy -- in some cases, alive. This does not artificially improve a player's performance any more than setting a broken bone does.

Bonds has played his entire career in the National League, where there is no Designated Hitter.

People have often made claims of the ball being "dead" or "juiced" at different times. But every empirical study I've read has found no significant differences.

Congress and baseball have a very complicated relationship. Baseball is exempt from interstate commerce mainly because Congress decided to let it be; in return, baseball has to play nice with Congress or risk losing its special status.

Finally, as we discuss in the soccer thread, just because X is less important than Y does not mean X is unimportant. This is a logical fallacy, specifically the illicit major. I do not deny that 9/11, Katrina, etc. are more important than steroids in baseball. But that alone does not make steroids unimportant, and unworthy of Congressional consideration.

posted on Mon, 06/04/2007 - 5:39pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I believe that their are some steroids that can be used to speed up recovery time on pain caused by injuries. I do in fact think Barry Bonds is a very talented baseball player, but i also think that he took advantage of some situations to help himself recover faster from aches or pain, where otherwise, if he was hurting, he wouldn't of been so affective.

posted on Tue, 05/22/2007 - 5:14pm
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patricia in Atlanta says:

I think that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion regarding Barry Bonds "alleged" steriod use. In a court of law, you are innocent until proven guilty. Barry Bonds has passed all test given related to steroids use, which should put to rest this argument, "should Barry's record count or not once he becomes the homerun king."

As a Black man, Hank Aaron should respect what Barry Bonds has brought to the game of baseball, and embrace his accomplishments. I think that Hank is becoming a little jealous and bitter in his old age, because he will no longer be considered the homerun King. Hank shouldn't worry, someone will come along and break Barry Bonds record. It is just the luck of the draw. Give Barry his due, like him or hate him, he will become the homerun "King."

posted on Sat, 05/26/2007 - 8:52pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

This is not a court of law; this is the court of public opinion. Bonds has not been accused of breaking any laws; he has been accused of bending the rules.

I don't see what race has to do with anything. Are you suggesting that Aaron (who is black) should automatically support anything done by Bonds (who is also black), even if Bonds is accused of unethical behavior? Perhaps Aaron should automatically DISAPPROVE of Bonds for bringing shame to their race?

Or maybe we should just treat everyone as an individual and be done with it.

posted on Mon, 05/28/2007 - 6:53am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yeah i think that he probably took some juice in his days. but hes not an idiot. hes not still on the stuff. why would he be? with all the attention and discrimination on him now. he still hits a .310 batting average and hes 9 shy of the all-time homerun record. who cares what he MIGHT have done in the past. he is arguably the greatest hitter the game has ever seen.

posted on Sun, 06/03/2007 - 2:04pm
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Hey everyone! Please read closely. I have been having to delete a large percentage of the comments we get on this thread because they are full of mean spirited personal attacks. As a rule of thumb if your comment includes the words, idiot, stupid, moron, or anything like that...well it ain't going to get published. There is room for heated debate without personal attacks.

Please read our community guidelines if you are unclear about what is appropriate.

posted on Mon, 06/04/2007 - 2:24pm
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Patricia in Atlanta says:

To Gene,

I know this debate is not a court of law. However it is an important issue that can ruin decent individuals reputations that took years to build, and this is why the higher up's in congress want to hold congressional hearings on performance enhancing drugs.

It is people like you who would love to see Barry Bonds prosecuted for "alleged" steriod use. I am not suggesting that Hank Aaron support Barry Bonds because he is black. I will state that lately in the media, Hank Aaron appears to be a little bitter , and regardless of race, Hank Aaron should be supported of any baseball player that breaks his homerun record.

Hank should offer to support Barry Bonds the same why his colleagues supported him when he became the homerun king, and move on with his life. It will not be the end of the world once Barry Bonds becomes the homerun King. There are more important issues we should be concerned with. Baseball is just a game.

posted on Wed, 06/06/2007 - 9:16pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Dear Patricia,

You wrote,

"Baseball is just a game."

Clearly, you and I have profoundly different world views. ;-)

I have not said that Bonds should be prosecuted. As far as I know, he has committed no crime. Hence my statement that this is not a court of law, but a court of public opinion. And in the opinion of many, steroid use harms the integrity of the game -- which is just about the most important issue there is.

Congress is not concerned with protecting players' reputations. It is concerned with protecting a national institution, and the effect it has on the culture at large.

posted on Thu, 06/07/2007 - 7:43am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yes

posted on Thu, 06/07/2007 - 9:49am
Emma Youngquist's picture
Emma Youngquist says:

No, steriods are bad for you! i think that he thinks that steriods are should not kind of be not used. so he is crazy!!!!!!!

emma

posted on Thu, 06/07/2007 - 12:14pm
bob t's picture
bob t says:

Barry Bonds is the only member of the 500/500 club: 500 home runs 500 stolen bases.
There are no members of the 500/400 club.
There is one member of the 500/300 club: Willie Mays: 660/338.
There are no members of the 400/400 club.
There is one member of the 400/300 club: Andre Dawson: 438/314
There is only one member of the 300/400 club: Bobby Bonds: 332/461

posted on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 4:14pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Bill James, baseball statistician, is not convinced that steroids are what's helping Bonds. He argues that Bonds uses a different type of bat -- though he never explains exactly what the difference is.

posted on Wed, 06/20/2007 - 1:16pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

One has to keep in mind that Hank Aaron played by the rules and was hated by the so called baseball fan because he was breaking their beloved Babe Ruth record. The comm/baseball wasn't present when he HA broke ruth's record....Now this guy Aaron was a good boy...look how baseball mistreated him......Back to BONDS....You may dislike him for whatever reason, but know this ....this guy plays this game.....remember game -better than any living or dead man....WHEN HE BREAKS THE RECORD ALL SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE DID IT WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE MEDIA/FANS ROOTING FOR HIM...HE DID IT LIKE HANK...ALL..ALONE....GOD BLESS AMERICA

posted on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 2:09am
The reasonable's picture
The reasonable says:

Maple.

Maple bats were introduced in, I believe, 1999 (it's either that or 1999 is when bonds started using one). Steve Finley was the first to use them when he broke out with his 37 home runs. OUT OF NOWHERE.

Some Canadian started making them and now every player in the majors is using them. Maple is a harder wood than what bats were made of originally. Harder wood + harder ball + faster pitches = more home runs. Simple physics, no chemicals.

To be honest, I have no clue whether bonds used steroids or not. In all likelihood he did. But I don't care because the speculation behind whether those **** things help at all is so large it's not worth wasting your time over. People are jealous that someone with as rough and self-absorbed a personality as Barry's is making history and they feel like since they hated him for being mean, they should hate him for something "legitimate" too.

Realize here that stronger pitchers, smaller parks, harder wood bats, harder balls, new techniques for training (both strength and speed), all play factors in a players' new found capabilities in baseball. Not to mention sheer talent. The steroid question is a blip on a map filled with other problems. For one, if it's such a big deal that bonds is using steroids that he's getting prosecuted for it, etc. etc. Why is it that McGwire's not being persecuted? Sosa? All the other guys in the Game of Shadows? Why just Bonds? I don't know if i'll jump to conclude racism, that's almost ridiculous. But certainly Bonds' personality and the fact that he's done nothing but generate enemies his entire career, hints at why this is even a big problem at all.

So, in other words, get over it. He's fun to watch when he's at the plate. That's really all that matters. Ask most of the players in the game, ask most of the coaches and managers. They all still LOVE to watch Bonds play. Period.

posted on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 12:53pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Bonds is an amazing athlete!!! Even if he took steroids which he didn't he is a freak. He sees the ball better than anyone and has more disicpline than anyone in the game. He gets one to two hitable pitches every atbat and he still gets 40 HRs a year. Maybe he did get very big half way through his career... but so does everyone else. They lift and work and work and work to get better. Look at pics of Roger Clemens he gained a lot of size but no one accuses him of steroids he is a hero. Jim Thome got huge, but no one accuses him just because he doesnt have the same talent as Bonds. If Thome was right behind Bonds he would be facing the same questions. But he doesnt have great eyes and discipline. 5 years into the league Thome jumped from 7 and 15 HRs to 40 HRs. I bet he did steroids too. NO players just lift and work on their power.

posted on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 10:13pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

"He has to be able to see and hit the ball to be able to hit it over" yeah thats true but you still need power. You could see a ball perfect, and have a perfect swing, and you could still just wind up popping it up to the outfield. You still need to be strong enough to hit it over the wall.

Facts about bonds:

1989 - he weighed 185 lbs
2007 - he weighes 225 Lbs not exactly incriminating except for the fact that he virtually doubled in terms of muscle mass.

His hat size Doubled within the last 7 years thats just not normal.

His former trainer was a proven steroid distributer

His former girlfriend testified to the fact that he admitted to her that some of his injuries were do to steroids

Balco files list him as one of their clients (sports illistrated magazine)

Bonds homerun stats were nonexistant during what should have been the "peek" of his career, yet at what should be the near end of his career they suddenly skyrocket

Bonds mysteriously starts having muscle injuries in his knees, shoulders, and elbows in the 05-07 seasons

My Point? (1) Yes steroids and HGH and other muscle enhancing Drugs DO help you to hit homeruns, Yes their is a LOT of evidence to support the fact that Bonds DID take steroids and finally NO it isnt humanly possible for a man in his 40's to grow double his size, double his hat size, and double his muscle mass.

Tell me this? How did bonds face suddenly go from a skinny little thing where you could practically see his cheek bones to this bloated bubbly round monsterous mess?

Bonds got juice? I think so!

posted on Sun, 07/29/2007 - 8:21pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Ok here you go, I believe he prob took steroids and hgh but he was competing against people that were too. But this is irrelevant to my reply.

Everyone talks about how he got so much bigger and stronger and his hat size doubled which is crazy by the way. He went from in the 7 in. hat size range to 14" lol wow. He went up 2 to 3 hat sizes not doubled it. The hat sizes are measured by the 1/8 in. Everyones only explanation is steroids.

Does anyone realize people actually keep gaining strength up until they are 40 power lifters dont peak until 35 to 40 (Ya i know they take steroids too) exactly when everyone starts claiming bonds took steroids and his record pace began. By the way his age seems to have caught up with him his home runs have slowed and he has been getting injured more and more. Wow its because of steroids right. Thats the only reason, Not because hes 40 plus years old and still playing a pro sport. People gain muscle mass up until they are 50 and at the same time the rest of the body deteriorates. Happens to everyone.

posted on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 10:06pm
Julia's picture
Julia says:

It is obvious that he did them. At the begging of his carreer he was very small, then all of a sudden he is huge. I think that if he brakes Hank Aarons record it should not be counted because he cheeted. I also think that if anyone brakes any type of recored, and they used steroids. it should not be put in the record books.

posted on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 10:15am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

i'm not sure if it the usage of steriods or just his postive outlook on life that is making him hit all those homeruns, either way i want the record breaking ball so i can sell it for steroids because my positive outlook on life isn't breaking any world records.

posted on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 8:39pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

bonds steroids . period.

posted on Sun, 08/05/2007 - 9:33am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Hitting homeruns does not come from power. I, at age 45 was able to hit baseballs in a my amature baseball league without the aid of steriods the distance that Bonds and other players were capable of. One thing I relized about hitting baseball for distance is when I swungs and hard as I could the ball would not go far enough to clear the fence. When I swung at just the right speed the ball would really sail. One of my hits was measured at 480ft. Keep in mind I was hitting a major league quality ball as it was required in our league.
I would suggest anyone that wants to accuse Bonds go out and read the Ted Williams book, and follow Ted's instructions. You'd be supprised how easy it is to hit a ball far and that most people of average athlectic ability can hit home runs as I did. I never lifted weights or did any special training and didn't take steroids.

posted on Mon, 08/06/2007 - 8:27am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

While your basic argument is correct -- power alone does not produce home runs; bat speed is probably more important -- I suspect that your amateur league does not feature pitchers hurling fastballs at 90-plus miles per hour, interspersed with wicked curveballs and nasty sliders. You also do not specify whether you are using a wooden or aluminum bat.

posted on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 8:29pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Keep dreaming about hitting balls that far, and you might want to go back to school and redo english.

posted on Mon, 08/06/2007 - 11:08am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

One argument in Bonds' favor: his at bats per home run ratio shot way up at the point when everyone assumes he started using steroids. Today, he is under such close scrutiny that he is almost certainly NOT boosting, and yet his ratio remains high. The guy who mentioned maple bats may be on to something -- though, if that's all it is, wouldn't all players be using them and hitting more homers?

I honestly don't know what to think anymore.

posted on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 8:32pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Barry Bonds did do steriods

posted on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 11:08am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I think Barry Bonds is a nice honest man

posted on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 11:12am
Dusty's picture
Dusty says:

Barry Bonds is the greatest home run hitter ever in baseball, period. This is a learned and sometimes referred to as a God given skill, to hit a 95 mile an hour fast ball over the ballpark fence. I don't believe there is a steroid or any known drug invented that will permit a batter to see the ball better, anticipate whether it's going to be a fast ball, curve or slider, and to make sweet contact with the ball all within the blink of an eye from when the ball leave to pitchers hand. He's gotten better with age due to experience, producing more home runs later in his career, nothing else. We all gain weight as we get older, and allegations about why he is more massive can simply be attributed to the fact that he's over 40 years of age.

Law of Physics as it pertains to hitting a baseball; the total Force lbs exerted when the bat hits the ball is equal to the total combined moving mass of the baseball, bat, and player multiplied by the acceleration (speed) of the bat. Which translates into the faster the ball and bat are moving, based on the given mass of the baseball, player, and bat, taking into account the ball hits the sweet part of the bat, it comes down to how fast the bat is moving when striking the ball. Common sense dictates that the more massive ball player can apply more force to the ball. Hitting the ball on the sweet spot, and all the skills required to do so are not enhanced by how much the player weighs.

Common sense would basically dictate that the more Force lbs applied when hitting a baseball should make it go further, right? Closer examination reveals that a very specialized job skill is required to hit a spherically shaped ball over the fence that has a diameter of 2.866", traveling at 90+ miles per hour with a cylindrically shaped bat that has a maximum diameter of 2.875" (fat part of the bat). Mathematically this can all be proven, as to what are the odds of hitting a home run. Professional home run power hitting baseball players have the ability to turn complicated mathematical theoretical analysis of hitting a home run into a reality, that's why they gey paid the big bucks. Barry Bonds is unique in the ability to effectively hit a baseball over the fence, end of statement.

Ted Williams said he had the ability to see the spin of the laces on the ball as it left the pitchers hand, which helped him, hit a hall of fame number of home runs. Hank Aaron had the ability to hit more home runs than doubles, but struck out twice as many times as he hit home runs. Babe Ruth put the bat on the sweet part of the ball, third best in history to date. Over the next 10 years, A'Rod is probably the next person to become part of this pretigious club.

In summary, the ability to consistently hit a baseball over the fence, thrown by an opposing pitcher, who is trying to get you out, requires a very unique and rare skill that Barry Bonds possesses. There is no known steroid or drug that will take an average hitting home run producer and turn him into a home run hitting leader. Barry Bonds has always been a home run leader.

People in the lime light live in controversy. Barry Bonds by himself, with his own acquired or God given talent has done it, he's the new Home Run leader, end of statement.

posted on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 1:10pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Facts: Bonds stats per 1998 - 411homes runs, 445 stolen bases and three MVP awards
REF:http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7045200#

If he was capable of hitting it then and playing well then which by all accounts, would earn him rights to the Hall of Fame, please tell me how you could disregard the pre 1998 facts. Now, please tell me where the crys and out rage were when McGwire was doing his thing, which started before Bonds. I will not say that this is fully charged by race but you better believe that some of it is. I'm hearing people that don't even watch baseball commenting and they can't tell me what team he plays for. Now I've seen others do steroids including current Gov of Cally, and they could barely "wipe" their bottoms, now try hitting inside low.

Fact: Bonds has past MLB drug testing, so maybe they are the one to blame.

posted on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 1:59pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Shoeless Joe Jackson was one of the finest players to ever play the game. Then he got involved in a conspiracy to throw the 1919 World Series, was banned from baseball and barred from the Hall of Fame.

Pete Rose has more hits than any player in the history of the game. Then he got caught betting on games, was banned from baseball and barred from the Hall of Fame.

Mark McGwire is eighth on the all-time home run list. He has been accused of taking steroids. To my knowledge this has not been definitively proven, and in any event was not against the rules at the time. Nevertheless, it is seen as violating the spirit of the game. He was denied entry into the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility.

posted on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 5:09pm
Etant Donee's picture
Etant Donee says:

The most noticeable aspect of Bonds' record is that he had _three_ 40 home run seasons before his 35th birthday, and then had _five_ after that. 1/3 of Bonds' home run production is in the 5 years after his 35th birthday. No other batter has ever been _better_ at 39, than at 29. On the year after the steroid scandal, his home run production dropped to 5, because he was out almost the entire year with injuries, and he's never been a full-time player since.

While there may be some argument about whether muscle mass improves home run hitting, there's no disagreement that steroids improve a player's ability to recover from injury. That's why you'll find that it's not batters who are the most frequent violators of the steroids policy, but pitchers -- it helps them recover quickly for their next start. Whether or not steroid-derived muscle contributed to Bonds' home run production, it's my belief that they rejuvenated him at a time when every other power hitter was breaking down due to injury.

posted on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 2:26pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I'm glad to be able to have witness the breaking of the homerun record. I was young boy when Hank Aaron became the homerun king. It's been said by hall of famer like Mike Schimdt that taking a pill doesn't help make a person hit home runs. So should Mark Mcguire be in the HOF yes. Players have been taken something things for a long time now such as: caffeine, alcohol, supplements & etc before, during and after. Do we deinish their records. This includes all races. Does anyone really know what's in the supplements that people are taking. What about football player who went into the locker room then came out rejuvinated. Barry is dislike because of his attitude, but it's been documented that he saw how the media treated his father (Bobby) when he was playing the game. Barry has never been a liked by the media, so why would it change now that he has broken the most historic record of all time. How did anyone who was taking (anything, HGH or steroids) break a rule if it was not considered illegal. That was the past now it's time to move on.

posted on Mon, 08/20/2007 - 8:17pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Yes, steroids can help you hit a ball. There's a variety of different steroids. Steroids do not only make you stronger. There are some that increase your fast twitch muscle fiber. When a 95 MPH ball is thrown at you, I'm pretty sure fast twitch is helpful.

posted on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 6:41pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Keeping Mark McGwire out of the baseball hall of fame is wrong, because he hit forty plus home runs per year throughout most of his career . Steroid use enhances strength, not hand and eye coordination. It has never been proven that Mark McGwire has ever done steroids. Accusations and sloppy testimony has never made anybody guilty of anything.

Barry Bonds has been plagued with accusations and sloppy testimony throughout his career, yet he has never been found guilty of anything either.

posted on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 12:31pm
J-man's picture
J-man says:

Barry cheated fair and square no-one using performance inhancers (steroids) should be praised for beating Hank Arons record. In my opinion his name should be off of the record list immedietly!

posted on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 4:34pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

You no he did, the whole world nowa, He should stop staking steriods, and play another year. Bet hw would not come close to fifty. After all he is getting old. I am sure glad thet the put a * on the ball when they sent it to the HOF Hank is the all time leader untill AROD breaks it. No steriods with AROD.

posted on Mon, 10/01/2007 - 11:09pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

hi i think baseball sucks!!!!

posted on Tue, 10/09/2007 - 8:48am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

How unfortunate for you -- both in your missing out on the most wonderful game ever devised, and in your appalling lack of manners. You don't have to like baseball if you don't want to, but please keep things civil. Thanks.

posted on Sun, 10/14/2007 - 4:16pm
Real Deal's picture
Real Deal says:

I think that Barry Bonds deserve to break the records bcuz its jus like what Shannon Stewart of the Minnesota Twins said: Barry Bonds is a great hitter and he could hit 40 to 50 homeruns any season with or without steriods. Theyre probably guys on steriods that dont hit like Bonds, but since he surpassed Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron all of a sudden hes the bad guy.

posted on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 8:13am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Well, yeah -- if you cheat and you lose, no one really cares. Cheat your way into the record books? People suddenly start to take notice.

Could Bonds "hit 40 to 50 home runs any season, with or without steroids"? The records would seem to imply no. Prior to 2000, the year Bonds is alleged to have started juicing, he had never hit 50 home runs, and only hit more than 40 twice. His best year was 46. Then, suddenly, at an age when virtually every other player in the history of the game starts to slow down, he hits 45 or more for 5 consecutive years, including a record-obliterating 73 in 2001.

Some people find this suspicious.

posted on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 8:40am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Barry Bonds is a CHEATER! Everyone knows he cheated. Hank Aaron should keep the record. At least he done it the right way.

posted on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 10:21am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

A federal grand jury has indicted Barry Bonds for lying under oath during the investigation into whether some baseball players take steroids. According to the AP article:

The indictment charges Bonds with lying when he said he didn't knowingly take steroids given to him by Anderson. Bonds is also charged with lying that Anderson never injected him with steroids.

There were 19 charges in the indictment in all.

posted on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 6:32am
Fudge's picture
Fudge says:

he should go 2 jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on Fri, 11/16/2007 - 12:16pm
JAR's picture
JAR says:

Of all the things to be concerned about.... I've played sports but didn't have the talent to do what 600+ players are paid to do. Record? It's just a stat, a figure to say wow. Bonds, with or without the juice is one of the greatest hitters of all time. Why don't we take a look at the records from 1995-2005 for all major league records, (especially pitching records since the juice helps recovery time incredibly) compare them against records from 1980 through 1990? Guess what? asterisk, asterisk, asterisk....

posted on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 11:02am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

For anyone who does not think steroids help a ball player with his skills is totally ignorant. Giambi's skills went down when he stopped taking steroids, Canseco's, Sosa's, Palmeiro's, Tejeda's.....you name it, their skills have diminished once steroid use ceased........and what do know, now that bonds can no longer take steroids his stats have drastically hit rock bottom also...........he took steroids PERIOD!!!! If he wouldn't of taken them, he wouldn't of even played these last couple of years.

posted on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 8:42am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

yes and he will never be as great as the other players

posted on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:21am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

if he honesty admitted taking them then what the heck are you guys all fighting about? he wouldn't admit to it if he didn't do it..that would be ridiculous. this whole argument is completly pointless

posted on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 12:33pm
DGO's picture
DGO says:

Couple of facts tohelp on a couple of points. first men do not develop their full muscelature until they are 25 or so so it is quite likely that college players will imporve during their college years. Second, WCCO said last night that the key result of steroid use for a ball player is that it can improve their bat speed by 5% enough to increase their homers by 50 to 100%.

posted on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 2:05pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Barry Bonds has a swing that could cut a car in half! Literally. Think about that, why don't you.
You don't get that kind of power from 'roids. You get it from possessing the hammer of Thor, Mojinlar, or whatev. Look into that, if you want a scandal.

posted on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:53pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

If steroids do not help the player's stats or his stamina then why do they take them? After all the question isn't does it help the players ability, it is does it give him the edge. If so what is the edge? 10%, 20% more power, speed of the fastball or ability to bounce back faster from injury, lengthen his career? True Bonds and Clemons are among the best of all time. But does steroids give the edge to become among the very best of all time? Question, if you could take a drink of lets say this special milk shake and you would be more popular as a teenager would you take it? More successful as a salesman? More sexy as an model? More productive as a laborer? The answer is obvious just ask the owners of Starbucks, Red Bull, Coca Cola ... but with everything in life comes the consequences, possible ill regular heart beat, jitters, fits of anger, addiction. Back to baseball, can you compare Aaron to Bonds without the steroids? Clemons to Mathewson without the steroids? Not any longer.

posted on Sat, 12/15/2007 - 7:18pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

A commission headed by former US Senator George Mitchell has issued its report, finding that 89 current and former baseball players used steroids.

A list of the players implicated is here.

posted on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 11:02am
Alfonso's picture
Alfonso says:

He never took steroids. It all hard work. In order to be a good hitter you need to have see to see the ball before you can hit it. Its not just muscle. I think this is all races what your doing. If Alex Rodriquez breaks bond record the ain't going to do **** to him. They will honor him with cars and with more money. What does Barry Bonds get nothing. Not a penny.

posted on Wed, 01/09/2008 - 5:57pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Bonds has been indicted by a grand jury, charged with lying when he said he never took steroids. He is, of course, innocent until proven guilty. But the jury found enough evidence to recommend going forward with a trial.

Bonds earned $15.5 million in 2007, and has earned $188 million total for his career. That's just salary, and does not include any endorsement money or other related income.

posted on Thu, 01/10/2008 - 10:53am
Hungry for cakes's picture
Hungry for cakes says:

We have a contest in which a bunch of cake bakers get together to see who can produce more cakes per day and make more money but using the same machines they have been given give or take a bit but not much more powerful oven for a few of them.Here you have a guy that produces "x" amount of cakes in the community.Everyday his machine is capabe of producing say 30 cakes.His machine is running well,its well oiled and the parts are mechanically correct,but no matter how much he tunes these parts and no matter how many times he replaces the oil when need be,its still only capable of producing 30 cakes per day.Other Bakers mind you are producing less and some are producing more with their machines.This particular Baker is not content with making "only" 30 cakes a day though because hes not making the most of all the Bakers.What do you do,and what does he do? hmmm,for some they will say "well you know what,were making enough money selling what this old machine puts out on a daily basis" and some will say"well lets get another machine to produce more cakes" but they cant.Barry Bonds chose neither,he chose to take that ol machine and put in a turbo booster in his oven and now it produces 70 cakes per day.He is now kicked out of the contest becasue he bacame greedy and was not content with simply having an excellent working machine that produced 30 cakes per day wich was good enough for him to win the contest and now he cannot have his cake and eat it too ;c) Absolutely those steroids helped Barry Bonds hit Homeruns,of course they did nothing for his mechanics,but they did a whole hell of a lot for his power!!

posted on Sat, 03/22/2008 - 8:37pm
CWags's picture
CWags says:

bull - Barry Bonds is a cheater and should not be allowed in the record books. He is a disgrace to the game.

posted on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 1:43pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

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posted on Tue, 05/13/2008 - 8:06am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I believe that Bonds has been using steroids so has Clemens because there is no way a 40 some year old man can still throw thee 99 mph fast ball even get it up into the 100's its not possible after all he has done. Dont get me wrong i think that he has done some very good things in his career but i dont believe that all of it was from the "natural" way. Sam with Bonds ever since he has been on radar he has not really been putting up the numbers he did when he hit 72 homeruns. He has declined alot and he has said that. Why do you think he sits out so much? its not because they give him the day off. Its because the steroids have got to him after a while.

posted on Wed, 05/14/2008 - 10:22am
Thor's picture
Thor says:

Barry Bonds really sits out a lot of games -- like all of them this season -- because no team wants to hire him.

posted on Wed, 05/14/2008 - 10:30am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I think Bondes is a lier and has taken stierods. Ialso think Roger has taken streiods and they should be band from baseball.

posted on Wed, 05/14/2008 - 12:34pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

no they did not help him. steroids can not hit a ball. a person has to hit a ball and thats what he did. and he was very good at it. they may of helped him with a little bit of power but anybody can go on a good hitting streak a power one at that. and if the pitchers keep on putting the ball down the middle of the plate alot of guys can hit it out of the park not just Barry Bonds. so i say that the new king is Barry Bonds. and now new guys have to chase after barrys title not hank arrons or barry bonds or anybody like that thats at the topof the list hes a man all by himself.

posted on Fri, 05/30/2008 - 1:07pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Yes, anybody can go on a power streak, but in 138 of professional baseball nobody has ever gone on a streak remotely like Bonds', which naturally raises suspicion. Pitchers were most certainly not putting the ball down the middle of the plate for Bonds -- quite the contrary, they pitched him very carefully (witness his elevated walk totals).

posted on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 7:57pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

A guy that has alot more muscle mass then me gets barely any bat on the ball and hits a homerun. I do the same thing and it doesn't even leave the infield. Enough said.

posted on Sun, 11/16/2008 - 9:40am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I have many friends that use steroids, steroids are for gaining weight and muscle bulk.

It doesn't nessicarilly make you better at anything other than running faster as far as I know... but it also depnds on how you train.

As far as I've been told. Steroids are all show and no go!

posted on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 12:05pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

if it is purely on skill then why does everyone that has that batting coach hit as many homeruns as bonds

posted on Tue, 02/03/2009 - 2:52pm
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Leslie Winget says:

While I am not an advocate of steroids, the argument against records and steroids "supposed" effects on baseball players is irrelevant. The case studies are limited, the results vary from person to person, and muscle mass rarely guarantees home runs or better play. Even if steroids do increase bat speed, which has not been widely accepted or confirmed, the change of bat speed effects the player's timing that they have been accustomed to for most of their professional career and drastically reduces the chance of hitting a ball cleanly. Barry Bonds was always a great baseball player, wherever he played. While his home run numbers jumped in his transition to San Francisco, one must remember that, as a left handed batter, San Francisco's distance layouts favored his swing by a good amount in comparison to Three River's Stadium. Lastly, records mean or do nothing except provide pointless arguments and non-comparable numbers. While Hank Aaron was a tremendous baseball player, the competition was slimmer and IT HAPPENED AGAINST DIFFERENT PLAYING FIELDS, making it impossible to compare. All in all, Barry Bonds is one of the all-time greats of baseball and should be a first-time vote-in for the HoF if the committee has any sense.

posted on Sun, 02/08/2009 - 1:20am
P. Lewis James's picture
P. Lewis James says:

One thing that a lot of people are forgeting.Most men are heavier at 35 than they are at 20. Further more a man is not physically mature until around age 30. It is entirely possible that Bonds weight gain was do to training and natural suppliments.It is just sad that a racist element in this country does not want to recognize the once in a lifetime talent of Barry Bonds
To say that some drug helps one hit a baseball is absurd!

posted on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 2:45pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

i agree...just leave the poor guy alone

posted on Wed, 02/18/2009 - 12:04am
iowaboy's picture
iowaboy says:

i just read the 200-plus comments here and i am amazed, (maybe i should say saddened) about how uncivil the discussion has been on this subject.
while it is fine to be passionate about something, it should be about plenty of things in life, and not just about sports.
and how there were many misspelled names and words- 'big mac' is spelled mcgwire with a "W" instead of a "U". all of the babe ruth nicknames mentioned i have NEVER heard of, and the only one i had heard of wasn't mentioned- the 'sultan of swat'.
and why should this debate about barry bonds even be about race? i thought we were past that point where race truly mattered in america. the civil rights act, banning discrimination, was passed in 1964, more than 40 years ago. even MLK said 'judge people by content of character'.
so the one who commented about how it's race as to why people hate bonds and calling people 'caucasians' will lack credibility in their argument when they resort to name-calling.
as for the hall of fame voting, it's not ENTIRELY about stats, it's also if the media likes the player, as that is who votes on it- writers. ask players like bert blyleven, who have the stats but aren't in yet. i think some writers still remember when he used an obscene gesture, and more recently was caught swearing while broadcasting a game on t.v. for the twins.
i do like the comment about scandal being the 'opiate of the masses'- be it in sports or anytihng else. there was a don henley song from the 1980s called 'dirty laundry' that refers to this- 'kick them when they're up, kick them when they're down. and people love it when you lose, give us dirty laundry.'
and there is a role model problem when one thinks that famous people should be role models. anyone remember that nike commercial with charles barkley, where he said 'i am not a role model'? the best role models are people you see in person on a regular basis, not some famous person you only see on t.v.
i have read a bill james book about baseball stats, but using him as an expert? he may be correct in some areas, but he comes across as crass and disrespectful, and when he writes he has a hard time staying on the subject of baseball.
as for barry bonds, who this article is about, it is a big deal that he has done as well as he has. recall he's a legacy, his father played the game as well. and 'legacy players' don't always do well. barry's father, bobby bonds,could hit but struck out a lot, more than most players did. this is why willie mays is barry's godfather, as bobby played for the giants as well.
my main beef with bonds is the same as what others say about him: he's arrogant and boorish. he's a latter-day ty cobb, good but exasperates everyone, so few players like playing with him.
i don't like the double standard that exists with baseball, where gamblers are banned for life but drug users tend to get off easy. the example used often when pete rose was banned was steve howe- got suspended 7 times for drug use, but kept getting more chances. but rose was caught gambling, and he's gone right away, no 2nd chances. BOTH things undermine the game.
either way, bonds WILL be remembered by the history books, but it's still a matter of how. and if it's more positive or more negative. anyone who studies history knows it's a matter of how well you're remembered after you're gone.

posted on Wed, 02/18/2009 - 12:24pm
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iowaboy says:

and why there should be a debate about home run records is beyond me. baseball is a TEAM game, people. babe ruth held the home run record for a long time, went to the world series numerous times with the yankees. GOOD TEAM.
hank aaron? went to the series only twice.
barry bonds? been to the series only once.
i would take a good team over a good individual player ANY DAY.
that is why my minnesota twins jersey has no name or number on the back. players come and go, but the TEAM continues on.
and some teams have won w/o hitting many home runs. what about the 1982 st. louis cardinals? they won with SPEED, not POWER. because they were good at stolen bases, now a lost art.
just find a way to win, home runs are over-rated.

posted on Wed, 02/18/2009 - 12:29pm
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KyleZ says:

Steroid is not the solution in making the athlete stronger. Of course this substance will make you look masculine but believe me it's not worth it. But did you hear the health news about Aaron Boone? Aaron Boone is a great athlete of baseball and might be a future Hall of Famer. That’s why it’s so sad to hear news that he will be going under open-heart surgery. He is the Houston Astro first or third basemen will be undergoing a surgical procedure on his aortic valve to correct a problem he's had for several years and it was just recently when the doctor recommend to have such open-heart surgery to secure his safety. Among his many accomplishments was a game winning home run in Game 7 of the ALCS to put the Yankees into the World Series, and he was selected for the AL All Star team. Let us hope it is a successful procedure and a speedy recovery for Aaron Boone. So I guess we should learn to accept what we have and enjoy our lives to the fullest. Money, fame and glory are just for short time but your health will matter most.

posted on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 11:16pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

i think steriods are not the answer to getting stronger

posted on Thu, 03/26/2009 - 9:27am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I think that the people against Barry are the only people that know what they are talking about and understand what steroids do for you. Granted you can not hit the ball without eye hand coordination but what about those balls that are hit so high in the air but are hit so hard that they leave the park but if he was not on those steroids then that ball still would have been 50 feet from the da** wall!!!!

posted on Thu, 05/14/2009 - 6:51am
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darrie says:

Well at this point I believe anything is possible for steroid use in sports. Still if Barry Bonds would use an anabolic steroid I think it would be obvious for all of us. Don't you think?

posted on Wed, 07/01/2009 - 12:10pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

no he still has to see the ball coming and that takes skill and not steroids!!

posted on Wed, 07/01/2009 - 4:50pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

no barry bonds probaly made home runs with or with out steriods

posted on Thu, 10/08/2009 - 5:35pm
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Brian DeFrancesco says:

Sorry, but much of this is just flat-out wrong!
Do you ask the doctor's receptionist for a diagnosis? Neither should you ask an athlete about what effect a corked bat has (they might be more than a little susceptible to the placebo effect). In "The Physics of Baseball," a physicist stated a corked bat likely has no real impact on hitting.

As for steroids not making an impact? It is certainly true that they didn't make home run kings out of all the partakers. And it's certainly true Bonds was destined for the hall before his 'roid years. But he was NOT a sure bet for 40 to 50 dingers a year. Note he topped 40 only three times in 14 years before the suspected steroid years. Never 60, never even 50. The dope made a MAJOR difference for him.

As for Babe and his "corked" bat(s). Do some more research and you'll find he had a corked HANDLE bat, designed to lessen the sting of impact and common in those years, not illegal. Corked barrels surfaced later, and, according to "The Physics of Baseball," were of dubious, dubious benefit anyway.

Last thing. I'm no racist, race baiters. I'd say Bonds and MMs 'roid illegitimacy makes Hammerin' Hank the true home run champ.

posted on Mon, 01/11/2010 - 10:48pm
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I won a Ford Foundation Fellowship on Physical Anthropology. I come from a family of scholars and medical people, so I know a bit about human structure and about drugs like steroids. Steroids tend to interfere with eye-hand coordination eyesight and reflexes of many who take them and becoming muscle bound is a detriment to the lightening reflexes needed. In Babe Ruth's era the average distance from home plate to the center field fence was 450 feet, today it is 405 feet. Back then the alleys were, on average 400-415 feet, today they are 368-375 feet. The balls are livelier in 1991 and again in 1998. The mounds are now ten inches high, in Ruth's time and mine they were 15"-18" (regs said 15" but most teams cheated to 18").

I never weighed more than 168 pounds in my best years but won several home runs titles, triple crowns. Doctors said I had “20/05 vision and incredible reflexes and eye-hand coordination."

Many great hitters like Ted Williams increased their home run per times at bat as they grew older, as did Ruth in 1927-1928. In Ruth's youth both leagues hit about 400 HRs per year, the average to lead the league by a player was 9.5 HRs from 1901-1918, both leagues gradually increased HR production in starts and jumps and now both leagues hit 13 time that figure or over 5100 HRs per season.

When Ruth hit 54 in 1920/59 in 1921, he hit more HRs, than 14 of the 16 entire teams. When I was a kid very few guys hit 25 HRs in a season now many do every season. Barry Bonds and others, if they took steroids, hit HRs IN SPITE of the Medicines and drugs containing steroids. By the way, at age 53, in a game, I hit a brand new Spaulding baseball 436 feet. In my prime the farthest I ever hit a ball was 425 feet. I was NOT stronger at age 53 than at age 18/19/20.

Perhaps some senate committee ought to investigate if/why MLB lied about the increased liveliness of the baseballs and put the commissioner on trial. They livened the baseballs to avert the strike in 1991/1994 and again in 1998 onward. They wanted to fill the ball parks and make enough to hold them in a short season. They also hoped that the players hitting so many home runs would deter them from striking, they were wrong and never forgave the union for that. Take a loom at the short season stats and the year Bagwell had. Superballs were flying out of ball fields like Geese in a park. If most player took steroids how come they all didn’t hit as many as Bonds, Sosa, ARod and McGwire? Why did everyone’s HR production gradually rise to 13 times what the leagues hit before 1920?
Thanks for allowing me to rant, here. Love your stuff here.

posted on Tue, 01/12/2010 - 5:50pm
joe bukoolij's picture

bonds and his early relatives were bred to be bigger stronger faster.....steroids only shines the light on breeding enhancement by smart slavemasters

posted on Tue, 01/19/2010 - 11:23am
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Thor says:

I didn't know there was Internet access to caves these days.

posted on Tue, 01/19/2010 - 12:05pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

I believe we've discussed this in other threads. While it is true that some slave owners did attempt to "breed" larger, stronger slaves, the practice was not widespread, and took place for far too short a time (1808-1865) to have altered the gene pool in any measurable way.

posted on Sun, 01/24/2010 - 11:56am
P Lewis James's picture
P Lewis James says:

Barry Bonds belongs in the Hall of Fame. Ty Cobb is in the hall of Fame. He was an admitted racist,and a man of very questionable character.Bonds is a once in a lifetime player who has the unique ability to hit a baseball. No substance can help you do that! The fact that he did it into his forties is not so noteworthy. History is full of instances where men accomplished great physical feats in their forties and beyond.Just because Bonds does not fit the neat little box that you writers want to put him in, does not mean his feats on the baseball are not legit!

posted on Tue, 01/19/2010 - 3:29pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

The World Anti-Doping Agency has asked Major League Baseball to start testing its players for Human Growth Hormone.

posted on Fri, 03/19/2010 - 10:05pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

He is just a flat out great hitter. With or without steroids.

posted on Wed, 07/14/2010 - 1:46am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Remember back then when people were actually naive enough to ask if steroids could make you hit more home runs? Like it was a complicated question or something? What Barry Bonds and his "supporters" (I guess) are finding out is that it doesn't matter if you would have won the race without cheating, you cheated anyway and all your accomplishments mean nothing because of it.

posted on Fri, 03/18/2011 - 12:37pm

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