Should ancient artifacts return home?

by Sam on Jul. 19th, 2005
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Even before the word "archaeology" was invented, people have been removing artifacts from their original context - or location. Objects have been taken to be sold for profit, saved as souvenirs, and put in museums. Often, historically important artifacts that have been placed in large, national museums have become points of national pride. Think of the Egyptian Rosetta Stone in the British Museum, or the Greek "Nike of Samothrace" at the Louve in Paris (the French call it the Winged Victory of Samothrace)

In the past few decades, some governments have politely asked for objects that they feel have been pillaged from their countries to be returned. During the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens, Greece attempted to pressure Great Britain for the return of the displaced Parthenon or "Elgin" marbles by announcing the building a brand new museum for them, the Acropolis Museum. Italy recently returned an obelisk that was taken from Ethiopia just before World War II.

Recently however, the demand for the return of these has taken a more formal, and perhaps less polite, turn. Egypt recently announced that it has decided to sue two museums, one in England and one in Belgium for the return two pharaonic relief - or tomb carvings. Egypt says that if the museums don't return the artifacts in question, archaeologists who work in those museums will not be allowed to continue digging in the "Land of the Pharaohs". Zahi Hawass, the director of Egypt's Supreme Council on Antiquities has made it his mission to have as many objects as possible returned to his home country as quickly as possible, especially the famous ones like the Rosetta Stone - which was the key to unlocking Ancient Egypt's hieroglyphic language.

Some archaeologists are nervous that the return of the Elgin marbles or the Rosetta Stone will open the "flood-gates" for the return of hundreds if not thousands of artifacts. Museums like the British Museum have argued that they not only promote scientific research on these objects, but having them in places like London, Paris, and New York allows millions of visitors to come and visit them every year. Others argue that it is important for countries to have the objects which reflect their cultural heritage and national history in their own museums.
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Sukey says:

I disagree that the artefacts should be returned home to conditions they wouldnt possibly be able to survive in. For example if we sent home wooden african figures to their original context they would soon decay in the humid conditions. The protection of these artefacts is also questionable in countries in financial difficulty. The temptation could be too much. Also nobody has absorbed the point that by spreading artefacts around the world,in relation to their origins,we are reducing the understanding of civilisations our future generatiosn will have.

posted on Mon, 01/16/2006 - 6:44am
<em>Joe</em>'s picture
Joe says:

This makes me think of the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA). NAGPRA is a Federal law that provides a process for museums to return certain Native American cultural items such as human remains, funerary objects, sacred objects, and objects of cultural patrimony to descendants and affiliated Indian tribes.

If anyone is interested, the Science Museum of Minnesota has a Policy Statement on Collections Management, which includes how we adhere to the NAGPRA guidelines.

posted on Tue, 07/19/2005 - 10:21am
Sam says:

That's a great point, Joe. While NAGPRA governs the return of artifacts via federal law, it is interesting to note that some museums and universities have returned objects (including human remains) to peoples outside of the United States voluntarily.
Is this the start of a world-wide trend? It is hard to say.
One First Nations tribe in particular, the Haida in British Columbia, Canada, have been very successful in organizing the repatriation of human remains held in American museums.
They have a website at: http://repatriation.ca/index.htm
A group of indigenous people of New Zealand, the Maori, have also been very influential in their international requests for the return of sacred artifacts and human remains.

posted on Wed, 07/20/2005 - 12:59pm
Anonymous says:

I think that the artifacts should be put back where the people found them.

posted on Wed, 07/20/2005 - 2:16pm
Sinz Axion says:

Indeed.

I'm doing a paper on this subject and yes, I believe, if they were in any way moved to another country in the past, the country that houses the original dig site should have everything returned.

Now, there is the issue of past collection and maintenance that England (I'll use the Egyptian artifacts as an example) went through in the last 100 or so years. Should they be reimbursed? Or should the Egyptian Government pay a fee to appease the English so they can give up many precious artifacts?

Thank you.

posted on Fri, 10/28/2005 - 11:33am
David Roe says:

I believe that the government should pay a fee otherwise whats the reward. I mean you found it you deserve a thanks!

posted on Mon, 08/25/2008 - 4:17pm
Anonymous says:

haha you missed spelled Louvre!! but i do think artifacts should go back where they belong because they're part of their culture!

posted on Mon, 10/31/2005 - 2:42am
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

I suppose it would be cruel to point out the irony here. ;-)

posted on Mon, 10/31/2005 - 12:16pm
Marion says:

It is an interesting question and does not led itself to an easy answer. Just because an item is found in a certain location doesn't mean that it is an artifact of the current indigenous population. What if the artifact is from a culture that isn't represented by the current government of the area? Who should the artifact be returned to? What about the cases where a "legitimate" representative of a government donated or even sold an item to a foreign government, museum, or collector? The human remains question can be just as murky. It is far to simplistic to say "yes return them"!

posted on Mon, 10/31/2005 - 7:32pm
Sinz Axion says:

...quite.

But, in retrospect, when Howard Carter, for example, found King Tut's Tomb, could it have remained in Egypt housed by an adequate museum and maintained by proper entities? Or did he make the right decision to send it immediately to England where it can be properly examined and studied.

ah, such controversy, I'm still having trouble starting my paper on this subject.

posted on Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:07pm
Emma Chatterton, archaeologist says:

Tutankhamen's tomb never left Egypt and neither did any of its contents, except on loan. It's difficult to physically move a tomb!
I think that artefacts should be returned to place of origin, in terms of ethics, but as you note, it depends on correct conservation methods.

posted on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 10:16am
Anonymous says:

you spelled artifacts wrong. but i think that artifacts should return home because they were wrongfully taken.

posted on Thu, 12/07/2006 - 12:43am
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

"Artefacts" is an acceptable alternate spelling, more common in British English than American.

posted on Sat, 08/29/2009 - 12:21am
Anonymous says:

I was watching the olympics in Turin and was amazed at the musuem they had there that was full of these Egyptian artifacts that were sold by an excavator to the royal family. These artifacts belong to Egypt and should be returned. That would be like someone coming to America and digging up George Washington or Abraham Lincoln and selling them.

posted on Wed, 02/22/2006 - 10:15am
Anonymous says:

It is a difficult problem- at what point does the history of the object stop? Many times How and Who found the artifact is just as important as where it was found. For example: British Archaology and Egyptian Archaeology DO have ties and connections- is it wrong to dismiss that history?\r\n\r\nThere is also the question of care- how heartbreaking it would be to turn over a collection to another museum knowing that the care of the object(s) would be in question.

posted on Tue, 11/01/2005 - 2:50pm
EminemLuvr says:

I do indeed think that the artifacts should be put back in the COUNTRY they were found. Like if a special rock was found in afganistan or Egypt, whatever, it should be placed in a museum in that country. Not in the best country, U.S.A, but the country they were found.

posted on Wed, 11/16/2005 - 12:57pm
Anonymous says:

I think that the artifacts should belong to the country where they were found, but (if the country is OK with it) they should also be allowed to travel to other countries as "special exibits".

posted on Sun, 08/30/2009 - 12:57pm
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Liza says:

Here's a New York Times article about this issue.

posted on Thu, 11/17/2005 - 4:31pm
Anonymous says:

Can someone help me or tell me the reason that why artifacts should NOT be return back to their orgin.

posted on Sat, 03/25/2006 - 4:49pm
Angela says:

Whether return the artifacts or not is a question to debate upon. In fact, even if museums return artifacts back to their countries of origin, it is doubted whether the countries of origin can protect the artifacts properly and safely. Those essentially important artifacts are not only treasures of a single country any more, but treasures of the world--we all have rights to care for them.

posted on Sat, 11/19/2005 - 9:46pm
Sophie says:

The problem, at its centre, is a debate of Internationlism and Nationalism.
While it's ok to say that we all have the right to take care of the artifacts, it shouldn't be the excuse under which we refuse to return the treasure to the country of origin.
The artifact has its unique value because of its cultural contents, thus it could only display its integrity in where it belongs. This is like sending a painter to the country where his inspiration lies, not in a city centre where the best drawing facilities can be bought.
We have reasons to doubt the real care taken in the country where the artifacts are kept. In fact some investigations showed that the earlier thefted artifacts are buried and ignored in some possessing countries.
There are many ways we can help the artifacts to be known to more in the world. Seizing them in the hands where they were seized may be the worst, but mentioned the most in the present world, probably because it's internally the more selfish one. If we are really considering for the human treasure, we could help the artifacts return to its country of origin, when the country is capable to take care of the artifacts; and we could help the country of origin to receive the artifacts by aiding with the facilities and the general education.
The artifacts should return to their countries of origin as their final destiny.
We are in the same family. We did contribution to take care of each others' children when their families are in trouble, but we will do crime if we refuse to return the child to their own parents.
It may take efforts for everyone to make an agreement on the issue, but we can see the light if we are really thinking for the artifacts' sake- for the treasure of all humanity.

posted on Sat, 11/26/2005 - 10:52am
Anonymous says:

the artifacts that were taken should go back to where they came from. No one had the right to take the artifacts from their original place. They should be returned as soon as possible. How would you like it if someone came and took valuable things from your house? I know I would not like that at all. So be considerate of other people belongings!!!

posted on Tue, 12/27/2005 - 8:02pm
<em>Gene</em>'s picture
Gene says:

This article from the Wall Street Journal summarizes many of these issues, and offeres a nice solution: ownership of objects may revert to the country of origin, but the objects themselves can stay in their current museums on long-term loan.

posted on Fri, 12/30/2005 - 1:51pm
Anonymous says:

I agree that cultural treasures should be returned to their country of origin because that is where they belong if something came from africa that means that it can go there without damge according to climate because it was originally from there. I dont think that the government would take something they know wouldnt be able to survive in its country because of security, then there is no point of bringing it back but these historical artefacts have great value to the its people and tell of their stories which might not have great importance to someone of a different background. If an artefact is taken back to its country of origin thats means its true identity is told with experience and emotion and truth.

posted on Wed, 02/07/2007 - 3:52pm
sap4001 says:

A lot of people I think are ignoring a fundamental point in this whole discussion. "Economics". Artifacts such as the Rosetta Stone in London and the Nefertiti's statue in Berlin both of which were taken away from Egypt illegally are generating millions of dollars every year for those museums and plays a big role in the tourist industry for those cities.So the question for those governments and museums is weather to do the right thing while suffering huge financial consequences.
It is true that artifacts should only be returned if proper care can be provided by the countries of origins but usually museums argue this differently by stating that they should keep the artifacts because they can display them better and not because Egypt can't house them properly. A lot of arguments are made by museums holding such artifacts in foreign countries but it will be easier to understand their reluctance if you simply considered the amount of money they are generating by keeping them:).

posted on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 12:07am
Anonymous says:

The thing to consider is that artifcats taken are not/have not always been cared for in the best possible way and sometimes either by lack of understanding or purpose have been destroyed. Some objects from Egypt were irreversably damaged because the were made of sandstone and were damaged in Industrial age London smog. Since so much has changed hands we need a policy that looks at the big picture that allows for change overtime. Like NAGPRA-those seeking a return of an item have to establish (prove) a cultural connection to the item. They also should need to demonstrate an ability to care for the items-but ultimately who are "we" to decide that. It is an sad part of human history that things we just taken and those in power deem themselves the only ones capable of caring for an artifact.

posted on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 3:41pm
Anonymous says:

the should be returned. hurrah!

posted on Wed, 01/25/2006 - 4:19am
kman says:

i believe that the artifacts do not need to be returned. I use some crude logic, but i believe that artifacts are like land. If we needed to return everything that we took from natives many of us, if not all, would be homeless. In most cases, we are not living in the same land that our direct ancestors inhabited. In the same way that artifacts were taken, peices of land were taken. However, there is no talk of returning theland; and rightfully so.

Also, in a way, the conquering armies earned the artifacts. Many empires who went across the world conquering lands collected these artifacts. It isn't necessarily finders keepers. But if an army were to get the peices of cultural importance it is theirs. I have a lot more thoughts but i dont feel like explaining them.

posted on Tue, 01/31/2006 - 7:18pm
Anonymous says:

I think we should return the land because we had no right to this land, it belonged to the Native Americans, we wrongfully took the land killed their people and crushed their culture.

posted on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 9:07pm
Ashley says:

i personally think that artifacts should return the tthe home they came from, if you disturb them they may not rest in peace

posted on Wed, 03/01/2006 - 1:24pm
Anonymous says:

The monuments are literally crumbling and Africa needs money to restore them. They dont have the resources to take care of these artifacts and are in many problems right now that can effect the artifacts in a negetive way. We have to think of what will happen to the artifacts before spiritual beliefs.

posted on Tue, 03/07/2006 - 10:34pm
Anonymous says:

Yes they should return to the care of the original nation. This is not for endulging your past history. This is the nations history, their culture, their life!

I understand the concerns of England and France, as to not trusting the nations. But when I go to Greece or Egypt I do not want to go to France and England to find out the history's of the other nations.

posted on Mon, 06/12/2006 - 1:34pm
Anonymous-JayJay says:

Well, I personally think we should retuen the artefacts. Our class is debating upon this issue, and I pretty sure it's the right thing to do.

posted on Sat, 10/14/2006 - 12:42am
Anonymous says:

Regarding the Elgin Marbles,

"...a Nitrogen Air-Conditioning Hall has been built in Athens where the Caryatids will be sheltered and protected from the city's pollution. Other relative measures are being taken to preserve the Elgin Marbles if and when they are eventually returned."

Why insist that this can't be returned because of climate conditions?

Source

posted on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 11:10am
Anonymous says:

I think that these artifacts should be returned to the countries they were found. In my opinion the western world stole these things to enrich thier own culture, which is almost non existent when compared to the past civillizations that existed. These artifacts are the heritage and lineage for those countries. How would we americans like it, if things that are important in our history be displayed in Japan for thier viewing pleasure? I strongly believe that it just thievery disguised in a fancier way, if they cared a lot about these artifacts as they argue, they would take them back home and preserve them there. So that if you want to see them you go there for yourself and experience everything that country has to offer both past and present. It is a pattern in history where the western world strips other "primitive" civillizations of what rights they have and what rightly belongs to them. I do not think that is ever going to change although i truly hope it does.
Even when it comes to civillizations like the early roman and greek and egyptian civillizations, most of thier artifacts are in france or britain and even here in the U.S. They should be taken back to Rome, greece and egypt...e.t.c, to the people who have every right to them.

posted on Sat, 11/11/2006 - 11:25am
Anonymous says:

In my opinion, these artefacts should return to their origin. Even if they were stolen, which we do not know, they should be viewed in their country of origin because they are part of the identity of the culture, and people in this culture should be able to see these things in their own country not in another place.

posted on Sun, 11/12/2006 - 6:55pm
Anonymous says:

Due to the fact that the Rosetta Stone is currently in The British Musuem, I personally think that since it is the Egyptian icon of their identity. It will be protected properly there and besides, how would you like it if someone just came along and looted a precious artifact of your original culture? Respect other countries identities.

posted on Thu, 12/07/2006 - 12:54am
Anonymous says:

i agree

posted on Fri, 01/19/2007 - 1:15pm
Anonymous says:

Conditions:
If proper documentation and proof of ownership is established, then by all means a particular artefact should be returned. The onerous part is establishing ownership and the possession chain. Unlike many illicit materials (and stolen artefacts, by nature of being wrongfully obtained, are illiicit materials), ownership and a papertrail should exist and provide adequate evidence of whose rightful property such objects are.
On another note, Public Museums do not OWN their collections per se. Public Museums are merely the stewards of such objects. Therefore, if it is proven by due documentation that any given peice of a collection was wrongfully - or erroneously - accquisitioned, then the given object should be deaccquisitioned to the proper authorities who should then make the decision as to whether to return the artefact to a private owner.
As long as it is accomplished by due process, any such artefact should be returned to a steward organization local to the original owner. That entity should then decide the article's fate, as is its right. Say a state museum is holding an Iriquois treasure obtained from a village when sacked by US Cavalrymen. The rightful owner (assuming that in this enlightened age we can dispense with 'to the victors . . ') would be either the descendent or the tribe thus assaulted. The state museum cannot go to Joe Running Bear and hand over the object (most state museums can only hand over pieces of their collections to registered non-profit organizations). The Curator or Director of the museum would have to deaccquistion the object and transfer custodianship to a responsible organization such as a tribal council. It would then be the tribal council's responsibility to decide the fate of the object, a decision which would require proper identification and documentation.

Now, more essoterically, who should have proprietorship over treasures of [no longer extant] civilizations? The muddle-blooded offspring only locationally related to the original artisans? The current political institution claiming dominion over the original dig sites?
I believe such objects are treasures of humanity. Those found destroying such, in my opinion, should be subject to indictment for crimes against humanity (such as certain idols and millennia-old icons destroyed out of religeous fanaticism by numerous extremists over the last few hundred years, including damage to the sphinx and the parthenon).

posted on Mon, 01/22/2007 - 5:51pm
Doralyn Dell Lacoste says:

Today technology makes it possible to reproduce most of the artifacts. For restoration or visual display, virtual replicas could more than represent any lost treasure.
Privately owned archaeological or historical art is a fact complicated by rights, value, and historicity.

posted on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 7:03pm
Anonymous says:

Wasn't there an act past in the 70's to make it illegal to own artfacts and such items or to take them out of its country of origin? I am doing some reading on cambodian art an have read how they took statues out of the country back in 80's and 90's. Is that illegal? a

posted on Mon, 02/19/2007 - 1:50pm
Brigid says:

Not all artifacts should be returned to source countries. More people can learn about and appreciate the artifacts if they are spread out in museums throughout the world. Also, artifacts belong to all people, not just the citizens of the country where they were found. The cultures that artifacts represent are not the same as the people living in the country now. I don't think there are many people in Greece who still worship Zeus. Finally, museums should be allowed to keep some objects in exchange for ther preservation of artifacts and the scientific contributions they have been able to make by studying them. Some artifacts should be returned to countries, but not all of them.

posted on Sun, 03/04/2007 - 8:05pm
Anonymous kayla says:

I am doing an essay on this subject and I have just read through the comments. I think that we don't need to return them, because the people took them because they didn't a camera to make a picture of them. As well when they got home they wanted to show the people of there country how other people lived

posted on Wed, 03/14/2007 - 2:15am
Alex says:

The following are in order of priority :

1 The artifacts should be returned to the Country of Origin if circumstances dictate that it will be in good hands, and not fall into the hands of a corrupted government, who would sell it for profit.

2 If not, the embassy or consulate of the Country of Origin may set up a center for displaying the artifacts.

3 Another way to preserve artifacts of international interest is to keep them in the UN headquarters.

4 The last resort is to keep them as it is.

posted on Tue, 06/05/2007 - 4:40pm
D.K says:

The items should not be returned. Look what happened to the Bagdad museum! As soon as the country destabilized, the townsfolk looted the museums and took everything. now all those wonderful artifacts from Mesopotamia are gone. They will never be returned or researched further. If you send artifacts back to Egypt, then next war or civil unrest, say goodbye to those pieces as well. Nothing will happen to those pieces in America, Canada, Britain, France, Germany etc... They're safe and in the hands of non-radical fundamentalist religious fanatics who wish to make Allah supreme God. They will all be destroyed eventually otherwise. Let scholars and researchers take care of them!

posted on Sun, 06/24/2007 - 11:43pm
Freddy says:

1) What say European countries would not engage in war? In fact Europe has seen war TWICE in the last century and Paris was nearly destroyed by Hitler.

2) The fact that somebody can take better care of the artifact does not warrant stealing it. Theft remains theft. It is like stealing rich people's money because you think you can better spend/keep/invest it.

3) Western countries contribute just as much if not more than middle east countries to the instability of the region. It is like me keep raiding your home and wouldn't return what I have stolen because I believe "your home is unsafe". Well who made it unsafe at the first place?

4) Last but not least, what about artifacts that are from countries that have stability and financial power to take care of them? The Chinese, in particular, will have more than enough resources and scholars to take care of their own artifacts. If what is stolen from China is not returned, all the "it is dangerous", and "they can't take good care of them" saying remains excuses.

Let me remind you, these artifacts are STOLEN from their home countries.

posted on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 1:12pm
Rose says:

I think that the stollen monuments should return to their home country only if the government of their home country could preserve them properly in siutable musueums and make them accessible to their visitiors like the Greek government and the Egyptian one who are able to preserve their monuments.

posted on Sun, 07/01/2007 - 5:06pm
Robert says:

Should artifacts be returned to there country of origin? That really depends on how they were originally obtained! In most cases the ancient artifacts that are displayed in the major musuems of the world were obtained with the complete knowledge and consent of the countries from which they came. That being the case they should remain where they are. Archaeological expeditions are funded by individuals and organizations with the anticiption that a certain amount of the artifacts that are found will be allowed to be exported in return for the work that is performed by the Archaeological expedition. Generally, in the past the countries of origin have agreed to this and have 'first pick' of the artifacts that are found. It is only within the recent past that countries such as Egypt, Greece and Turkey have started to press for the return of artifacts that have been LEGALLY exported to others for display in musuems. There are many cases of musuems that have returned artifacts to countries of origin when it has been shown these were not legally obtained. There are also cases were musuems have returned fragments of artifacts so that they could be reunited with other pieces of the artifact thus making it whole once again. In both of these cases musuems have acted in an extremely responsible manner and will probably continue to do so! To ask for entire collections or portions of them to be returned when they were legally obtained is UNREASONABLE! When musuems display artifacts from other countries it allows the culture of the country of origin to be shared and possibly better understood by others. As our world evovles into a global economy this has to be an very positive aspect.

posted on Tue, 09/25/2007 - 8:00pm
Anonymous says:

i have mixed views on this subject as on the one hand its good knoledge and very intresting and informational but on the other you have to understand that the ancient egyptions belived in the after life and this i think will hinder them in some way from have a full after life also we should think about it this way would you like your ancestors put on show with all there worldly goods in all different countries we have to think that back in ancient time they were very strong belivers that they would go onto better things like bacomming gods and do we really have the right to step into that path .

posted on Wed, 09/26/2007 - 6:45am
Anonymous says:

That is so cool

posted on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 10:57am
Anonymous says:

I think that this is completely wrong that they would not give artifacts to there original countries. But they won't because the other countries want them as an eyecatcher in a museum so they can make money

posted on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 5:13pm
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Joe says:

Isn't that what the museum that is holding the artifacts that are from the other country is doing? Though I would argue that the museum's intent is more to educate than to rake in cash, and further the countries that are trying to reclaim the artifacts are just trying to get back parts of their history. Its not a simple answer.

posted on Fri, 04/04/2008 - 11:30pm
Anonymous says:

artifacts should not be returned to their countries of origen. if someone else had to come into their country and find them, it means that the native people of that country were unable to do it themselves. i say finders keepers.

posted on Mon, 04/14/2008 - 9:43am
Anonymous says:

I think that the artifacts should be returned to their countries. What if the natives of the country knew where to find them but didn't want to disturb them because the artifacts were seen as sacred? If you just go in there and take the artifacts when some people would just like them to stay as they were it would be like stealing!

posted on Sun, 08/30/2009 - 1:06pm
Remington Student says:

They should go back home where they belong! What kind of morals are you setting for the future? Is that right to find something and just keep it? NO! You should always return it to the owner. For example... What if you found a really cute loving dog and you knew that it belonged to someone? Would you try to find the owner and return the dog or just say "OH FINDERS KEEPERS!"?

posted on Mon, 06/16/2008 - 9:32pm
Anonymous says:

Is there any way for a private collector to obtain ancient artifacts legally?

posted on Fri, 10/17/2008 - 3:48pm
Anonymous says:

MANY of the objects which are under debate such as King Tut's tomb, his burial headdress and his belongings which reside in England ... and many other artifacts... where taken out of countries a LONG time ago. At that time in history these artifacts were NOT stolen ... there were NO laws or restrictions governing what should happen to these artifacts. Archaeologists were allowed to come in and keep whatever they found... it was up to them to find the resources necessary to remove them and ship them back to their countries ( a lot harder back then). It was not stealing then ... it is only considered stealing now due to modern restrictions and laws saying people cannot take things out of countries... Is it fair to give them back when, when they were taken it was perfectly LEGAL? Not really! I agree that objects found now should reside in their country of origin or where they are found BUT artifacts taken from countries lets say before WWII don't have to be returned. People and countries all evolve, maybe restrictions were set in place because countries have learned from their "mistakes" of the past...

posted on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 11:59am
Anonymous says:

haha you are are all telling lies.
FINDERS KEEPERS

posted on Mon, 11/03/2008 - 5:31pm
Rich says:

U R wrong. People should keep the artifact to sell to museum.THey have no right to take an artifact from someone who found it.

posted on Wed, 11/05/2008 - 8:25pm
Anonymous says:

Im doing a Prop on this in class and i believe the foreign countries should get back their stolen goods. In america we have rules right like no violence,drugs,abbuse, and stealing etc. So if the museums can just steal artifacts from other countries isnt that just breaking wat america stands for today?

Also america brings up a good arguement that "these artifacts would never have survived if they were left these items there". In most cases this is true. Americas intentions were good but their actions weren't. It's the foreign countries decision to do whatever they please with their porperty. America can't take matters into their own hands like that.

In addition, If the museums really wanted to have a piece of the distance countries culture they shouldve just asked permission. "Hello we are a famous museum that is collecting rare artifacts of the different cultures, we were curious if you would like to contribute a special items that represent your hetitage and of course we will send u pieces of the profits we make" These few words is all it basically takes.

posted on Sun, 11/16/2008 - 1:33pm
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Gene says:

In many cases, the artifacts were acquired within the laws that were in force at that time. But the argument has been made that those old laws were too lax. Should museums be held responsible for actions which were legal 100 years ago when the object was collected, but which are illegal today?

posted on Tue, 11/25/2008 - 11:17am
e bunny says:

Im doing a research paper for school on this topic, apparently there is quite a variety of perspectives. Personally, i think the artifacts belong to the country they came from, after all, most of them were stolen. However, many of you do have a point, the artifacts are international as well as national treasures, plus, not all of us have the money to go to egypt or china solely to admire that nation's historical icons... another thought: why is it that we dont return the artifacts to their countries and they rest of the world can enjoy fakes? second thought: jow on earth am i gonna do the paper now?! I'm only allowed to pick one side of the argument...

posted on Sat, 11/29/2008 - 3:33pm
SHHS student says:

I agree that they belong in the country they came from due to there heritage and that the countries may want them for there own.

If a country didnt want their artifacts , well the other countries can have. I think that is OK.

If the other country got them and then destroyed or threw
it away then IT IS NOT OK.

posted on Thu, 02/19/2009 - 6:30pm
Anonymous says:

I think artifacts should be returned home because they come from that country, but they shouldn't be returned to countries who can not afford to look after them. Also if they are returned the country should lend them out to other countries.

posted on Thu, 02/19/2009 - 6:43pm
another SHHS student says:

hi i think we should return the artifacts but i am bored now so bye

posted on Thu, 02/19/2009 - 6:53pm
A girl from a school says:

I believe that the country of origin should get their artifacts back, UNLESS the country can not afford to look after them, then they should stay where they are so they don't get destroyed and so other people can see them.

posted on Thu, 02/19/2009 - 6:56pm
Anonymous <3 says:

I believe that the country of origin should have the artifacts. simply because it is part of their heritage and culture. It is vital that the country of origin to learn about their past. In order to learn about their past they need things from their past to provide knowledge.
But, if the country of origin cant afford to keep it in good condition they should just probably just leave it in the other countries museum.
Thats what i believe.

posted on Thu, 02/19/2009 - 7:03pm
Henry says:

In different situations, different acts are required. With something like an artifact that is made of wood, it can't be in a very wet/cold country, or a very humid country, it would decay.
And you need to take in the facts that some countries simply cannot look after some artifacts, and a more advanced country, say, Britain, or the US of A, would have the necessary technology to support them.

posted on Thu, 02/19/2009 - 7:05pm
Anonymous says:

so...going along with all that...then all artifacts and remains found must go back to africa and asia...because according to evolution, we all came from there originally...(unless u don't believe in evo)

that's what i don't like about claiming artifacts and such. i know it's disrespectful from the human perspective (especially if artifacts are human remains) but personally, in the perspective of science, it's just all science...human remains(just living creatures like everything else)...artifacts(just made out of elements/material like everything else)...no attachment of human morality to it.

posted on Thu, 02/19/2009 - 9:50pm
Anonymous says:

i think that the cricumstances and conditions in their country of origin dictate what should happen.
Say that the country was in a state of warfare, or encroching poverty, for the time being, it would be wise to keep them in a place/museum where they are safe from danger and will have better protection.
Religious views will change. Some artefacts, for example, may depict a Christian state of the past. But if that same country is now dominated by a entirely different culture and religion, it is hardly likely that they will be respected by those people, especially when they suggest ideas untolerated by that culture.
However, i believe that all these "excuses" can only be used temporarily. In the end, each country has a right to their artefacts, and these requests cannot be ignored. In the end, most of the world's artefacts will eventually be returned, either by good will or by force, and ultimately, their original context is where they belong, and will be appreciated the most.

posted on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 6:40pm
JERRAD says:

I like the artical about the ancient artifacts that have to come home.

posted on Fri, 03/27/2009 - 8:11am
caprithor says:

Ok in my view;.
1) I agree that all the artifact must come home. Where in this case, who ever took India's artifact especially its jewelery since ancient time has to return back it to india. It sounds nonsense right? So, none will bother to do so. At the same time, most of the statues was stolen and almost 2/3 of artifact and temples was demolished. Those people who conquer india since ancient time has destroyed its rich heritage too under the name of religion!!.

2) I believe that those artifact stolen from Afghanistan shouldn't be return back for time being. See what taliban did to Bamiyan Buddha Statues. So here, i agree that things stolen here shoudnt be brought back because chances are high to be destroyed again.

3) Another point is in China. When Dynasty changes, new king will destroy previous heritage. Wipe out it completely. So many times this happened, many books lost , many traditional knowledge especially on medicine has lost forever.

4) The best among all is "Area 51". They keep all these things claiming that those aftifact is properties of.......... .

You see, my opinion on points is contradicts each others. Talking about this point, can be a never ending story.Who to blame in this three points? May be you can give more points .
But i wish that one day either by armageddon or by aliens invasion, human can really learn to respect each other. Until there is no external factors there will be no peace!!!!!

(Regarding nations above, its just an example, i did meant it in racist way, but this example can be seen in all over the world.)

posted on Fri, 05/08/2009 - 5:51am
stateofhockey10 says:

artifacts should be allowed to stay in the museums that currently house them. Without these artifacts the entire idea of a museum is lost. They will no longer hold educational or historical value.

posted on Sun, 05/10/2009 - 8:58pm
Anonymous says:

i think the egyptian artifacts claim is reasonable; they only want looted objects such as the rosetta stone and nefertitis bust

posted on Wed, 05/13/2009 - 1:10am
Anonymous says:

RETURN THE ARTIFACTS!

posted on Wed, 06/03/2009 - 6:53pm
Billybobjoe says:

Artifacts belong in the country the were made in

posted on Thu, 06/04/2009 - 10:51pm
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Gene says:

The new Acropolis museum has opened, reigniting the debate over the Elgin marbles.

posted on Sat, 08/29/2009 - 12:24am
Anonymous says:

If you find an antient artifact you should do some research on it before you decide to give it away. If the object is very valuable ,it might not be something you would want to keep in your home. If you felt you worked so hard to dig this ancient fossil up, or whatever it is, you might decide that you would want this in a famous museum so someday you could be the famous speaker at a ceremony telling about your journeys or expeditions to Africa to find an artifact.

posted on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 6:14pm
Barth Tutterow says:

All stolen, pillaged or illegally obtained artifacts currently in museums around the world should be returned to their original source countries. If we really want to heal the wounds of past transgressions, then we need to start by repatriating these artifacts.

posted on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 7:36pm
Leandra Machado says:

Doesn't matter the political issues, ancient artifacts reflect the cultural heritage of a nation and must be relocated to it, where they belong to. And besides usually it's just the rich nations stealing from the poor ones, in the name of "preservation and good care"!

posted on Wed, 12/02/2009 - 4:11am
Anonymous says:

I'm doing a debate on this subject in school. Does anyone have good reasons for their thoughts????

posted on Tue, 01/05/2010 - 8:30pm
Stefan-Atl says:

Many have said "Return to the country..." but when the items were removed there was no country. The museum saved the item from being destroyed or lost. Is it fair to return the items to a new guy just because he currently runs the place? Can you guarentee that won't change next week?

Many have said. "Illegally stolen..." but at the time many of these items were legally obtained. We're not talking simple grave robbing here - It cost millions of dollars to find King Tut's tomb and deals were made to divide the spoils if they could be found. Legal issues are being misconstrued or retroactively applied because of political correctness. In many cases these pieces of art would be lost today if they hadn't been removed. Can anyone tell me what happened to the other half of the Rosetta Stone?

Many have discussed the ability of the country too maintain the items but as we've seen in Iran, Afghanistan and other places that this is no guarentee either.

A few have touched on the issue of economics - Some countries invested tremendous amounts of money to find, preserve and display these items. Isn't it fair that they be compenstaed for thier investment?

A few have also mentioned the issues of education and access - In their current location these items are on display and accessable to many people - Can you guarentee that if the items are returned? And how many people will travel to China or Egypt to see the items vesus the number of people that will travel to England or America?

It's a very complicated issue and very educated, involed, and diplomatic people are having difficltly determining the answer.

In today's news, Jordan is suing Israel for the return of the Dead Sea Scrolls because they claim they were found in Jordan. But clearly, they are significant to the Israeli culture. The suit isn't about culture, it's about politics. How can we be sure the Jordanians won't destroy them the way the Taliban destroyed the Buddist statutes?

"It belongs in the original country" is over-simplified and wrong.

posted on Fri, 01/15/2010 - 1:52pm
Anonymous2 says:

The problem with Hawass' demands is that he is not Egyptian, he is an Arab and most of modern Egypt's population are Arabs and are not descended from the ancient Egyptians. They were displaced south into modern Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia and it is they who can claim cultural heritage over Egyptian artefacts. The argument that the Rosetta Stone, for example, is an essential part of Egyptian culture is nonsense - modern Egyptians are Arabs, their culture is in Mecca not in Egypt. Egypt has no cultural claim to these aretfacts whatsoever.

posted on Wed, 02/17/2010 - 6:54am
Anonymous says:

i think they should be returned as long as they will be kept in proper order so that everyone can enjoy them.

posted on Sun, 02/28/2010 - 10:29pm

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