Questions for Deb Swackhamer

Learn more about my research In December 2008, Deb Swackhamer answered visitors questions about environmental chemistry.

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<em>Joe</em>'s picture
Joe says:

What inspired you to pursue a career as an environmental chemist?

posted on Tue, 12/23/2008 - 4:56pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

Hi Joe,

I spent my summers on a wonderful lake in Ontario when I was a kid, and so have always loved freshwater. When I got to college I started out as a math major, but I took a writing class in "water" from one of the chemistry faculty and switched majors. I eventually used my chemistry to study water chemistry at the U of Wisconsin at Madison for my doctorate, and there I learned that when you study water, you study air and sediments and shorelines and fish - studying water means studying the environment. Its been a great career path!

posted on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 12:25pm
Anonymous says:

How do effects of bioaccumulation show up in people?

posted on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 6:16pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

Certain chemicals can bioaccumulate, which means that they are fat-soluble (and not water soluble) and aren't metabolized. So bioaccumulative chemicals sorb to plankton which are eaten by zooplankton which are eaten by fish which are eaten by humans and some birds and wildlife. All the contaminants at each step of this food web are conserved and passed on to the next level. So humans that eat fish get exposed to lots of bioaccumulative chemicals, such as PCBs. The effects are varied, and depend a lot on how much fish you eat and if you are a child and still developing. The Minnesota Health Department issues fish consumption advisories to help people make choices as to how much locally-caught fish you should eat. Studies have shown that PCBs and other bioaccumulative chemicals can cause developmental lags in children exposed in the womb, and reproductive problems in humans and in wildlife. More recently some studies have also connected PCB exposure with hearing loss, asthma, and diabetes. Effects in humans are very subtle, except in very extreme cases of exposure, so they are difficult to distinguish from those caused by other things like life style and diet.

posted on Wed, 12/31/2008 - 4:23pm
Anonymous says:

How much sway does the Science Advisory Committee (is that right?) really have over EPA policies? My own political dissatisfaction might be showing, but it seems like policymakers haven't had too much trouble brushing off scientists in the last few years (8 years at least, and maybe longer).

posted on Wed, 12/24/2008 - 6:19pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

The purpose of the Science Advisory Board of the US EPA is to provide scientific advice to the Administrator to help make decisions and policy that have a sound scientific basis. You are correct that the impact of this advice depends on how science is viewed or respected by the US EPA and the administrative branch, and that has been a concern for the last several years. However, President-elect Obama has said several times that he is a strong supporter of science-based decision-making, and his nominations for environmental leadership for his administration back this up. I hope that the SAB will be able to make a difference in the coming years, providing scientific guidance from some of the best scientists around the country to the EPA and its leaders.

posted on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 9:28am
Sarah says:

So is there any way to break down the chemical composition of many toxins into less harmful or completely harmless molecules? Are there a lot of different toxins that will just never disappear?

posted on Fri, 12/26/2008 - 3:08pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

Sarah,

the composition of a given chemical - its components and its architecture - determine if a chemical breaks down or not. Chemicals can be broken down by chemical reactions with sun, or water, or by biological processes such as microbial degradation. Some chemicals are resistant to all of this - such as PCBs - and it is usually the persistent chemicals that we are most concerned with. For example, PCBs were originally designed to resist degradation, so once they are in the environment they are very difficult to break down by any natural means. The PCBs in Lake Superior are going down slowly because they are sinking and getting buried in the sediments, not because they are breaking down. It will take many decades before they are low enough to not cause impacts. Other chemicals break down quickly, in weeks or months. In very contaminated sites, like Superfund sites, the chemicals are sometimes dredged out and chemically destroyed or incinerated.

posted on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 9:36am
Dona says:

What is the worst toxic chemical in Lake Superior near Duluth?

posted on Fri, 12/26/2008 - 6:40pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

Dear Dona,

To name the most toxic chemical is a hard! There are many toxic chemicals in Lake Superior and in the Duluth-Superior Harbor, although it is important to know that generally Lake Superior has fewer contaminants and lower concentrations of most contaminants than the other Great Lakes – it is the cleanest of the Lakes. That said, there are very high levels of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in the lower St. Louis River, associated with a Superfund site. There are PCBs and toxaphene in Lake Superior that accumulate in fish, and cause fish consumption advisories. There are chemicals discharged in the wastewater in Duluth-Superior Harbor that are known to mimic estrogens and other hormones. Anytime there are a lot of people in one place along with lots of industry, like what is found around Duluth Superior Harbor, there will be chemical contamination.

posted on Tue, 12/30/2008 - 9:21am
Sydney says:

what is being done to protect our lakes from invasive species of fish?

posted on Sat, 12/27/2008 - 7:07pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

Dear Sydney,

the short answer is "not enough". The invasive species in the Great Lakes are usually the result of ships discharging their ballast water that came from somewhere else outside of the Great Lakes, and often it can contain hitchhikers that take hold in the Great Lakes. The round goby is a good example of this. We need stronger regulations on ballast water discharges - the Coast Guard is considering new rules but in the absence of this the states of Minnesota and Michigan have passed laws that will take effect sometime in the next decade. But until then....

posted on Wed, 12/31/2008 - 4:27pm
<em>bryan kennedy</em>'s picture

One of our bloggers here on the Buzz, wrote an article about this very issue. Learn more about the foreign species being brought into our Great Lakes via ships' ballast water.

posted on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 4:14pm
Anonymous says:

Is it true that it takes 400 years for a drop of water to get from lake superior to lake ontario?

posted on Mon, 12/29/2008 - 3:22pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

It takes a very long time for water to be exchanged in the Great Lakes. If all the inputs of water to the lakes were stopped, it would take about 400 years for the water to drain out (like a bathtub that was full and you turned off the faucet and waited for the tub to empty out the drain). This is because of the huge amount of water we are talking about - 18% of the world's entire surface freshwater - and the fact that the "drain" is the St Lawrence River, which can only drain so fast. The larger the lake, the longer it takes to replenish the water - For Lake Superior, it is 190 years! For Lake Michigan, it is about 100 years.

posted on Wed, 12/31/2008 - 4:34pm
Lotte says:

How can the average citizen prevent toxins from being spread throughout the Great Lakes?

posted on Wed, 12/31/2008 - 3:41pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

Dear Lotte,

To prevent toxic chemicals from being spread within the Great Lakes, we must prevent them from being emitted to the environment. We have to close the barn door BEFORE the horse gets out! This requires greater efforts to evaluate chemicals and products before they come to market for their toxicity and their environmental persistence, and requires a more precautionary approach - erring on the side of caution about a chemical rather than assuming it is "innocent" until proven "guilty", by which time the chemical can't be pulled back from the environment if it is found to be harmful.

posted on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:31pm
<em>From the Museum Floor</em>'s picture

Once pollutants are in the water cycle how can they be completely removed?

posted on Wed, 12/31/2008 - 6:47pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

Once chemicals get into the Great Lakes, it is hard to remove them because of the immense size of the lakes and the volume of water. So it is up to natural processes to take care of removing them - these include bacterial breakdown, or volatilization back to the air (gets them out of the water but only puts them in another part of the environment...) or burial in sediments after the chemicals sorb to particles or algae in the water. The chemicals you hear the most about, like PCBs or flame retardants or pesticides, are very persistent so they don't break down, and it takes decades to centuries to clean the water by waiting until they get buried in sediments. It is much better to prevent them from entering the environment in the first place!

posted on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:27pm
Rahul says:

Do you think enough people are aware and working to help the Great lakes?

posted on Fri, 01/02/2009 - 5:07pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

Dear Rahul,

No, I think because we made progress in the 1970s and 1980s, people take the Great Lakes for granted. Back in the 1960s it was public outrage at the environmental problems they saw that led to the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, the Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement and the formation of the US EPA. We need to make people aware that while progress has been made there is still much to do to protect them, to be good stewards of the Great Lakes.

posted on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:34pm
Anonymous says:

How prevelent is eutrophication in MN lakes and streams?

posted on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 6:03pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

In Minnesota, about 40% of our lakes and streams are considered to be below water quality standards by federal and state law, and almost all of these "impaired" lakes and streams suffer from excess nutrients (phosphorus and nitrogen), or eutrophication. The problem occurs more in the SE, SW, and NW parts of the state, mostly because of land use and population density. The excess nutrients come from agricultural runoff in rural areas, and from storm water runoff and development in suburban and urban areas. Also, Minnesota lakes are generally shallow and they are more susceptible to the impacts of excess nutrients.

posted on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:40pm
heather says:

What is your favorite place on the Great Lakes?

please write back

Heather
age 7

posted on Sat, 01/03/2009 - 8:39pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

Hi Heather,

I have several favorite spots on the Great Lakes, but if I had to choose, I would say that the north shore of Lake Superior is a big favorite, by Grand Marais and of course Isle Royale, and Sleeping Bear Dunes on the eastern shore of Lake Michigan is a beautiful spot. But then there is Georgian Bay in Lake Huron, Point Pelee park in Lake Erie, and the Thousand Islands in Lake Ontario....so many to choose from!

posted on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:51pm
Anonymous says:

How effective do you think the Clean Water Act will be?

posted on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 6:59pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

The Clean Water Act was first passed in 1972, and it has been extremely effective at protecting our water resources from point discharges, such as industrial effluents, through a permitting process. It also has been effective at reducing nutrient discharges from waste water treatment plants, which are also point discharges. Where the Clean Water Act has not been so effective is controlling what are called non-point discharges, which come from larger areas and not a specific discharger. These include storm water run-off, and run-off from croplands and confined animal feeding operations. The run-off from these includes nutrients and other pollutants, an dis not well controlled or regulated through the Clean Water Act.

posted on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:56pm
Anonymous says:

What are your top three things that could be done to improve environmental policy in the US?

posted on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 3:24pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

1 - re-establish the integrity of science and its use in decision making in all federal agencies. There are excellent scientists in these agencies, and excellent external scientific advisors, that have been ignored in recent years, and they need to be given their voice and respect back.

2 - incorporate climate change considerations in all areas of policy making - from endangered species considerations to dredging considerations to water policies - it is or will be affecting our environment, our health, and our economy and we need to consider climate change holistically.

3 - use environmental policy to stimulate economic recovery, by upgrading and replacing aging infrastructure in the wastewater and drinking water sector, and encouraging green energy and manufacturing policies and job development.

posted on Sat, 01/17/2009 - 3:09pm
Anonymous says:

Do you think the change in administration will impact the United States' participation in global environmental efforts? Or will it stay the same?

posted on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 3:25pm
<em>Deb Swackhamer</em>'s picture

I firmly believe that the change in administration will have a large impact on the US participation in global environmental efforts, particularly on global warming policy and green energy policy. Pres-elect Obama has indicated that this is a priority for his presidency, and it is reflected already in his nominations for his cabinet and other officers, and their statements made during their confirmation hearings (Chu, Energy and Jackson, EPA have already had their hearings). Not only does the new administration value science and wish to see it used to inform policy, they are very educated and informed about the issues. Be optimistic!

posted on Sat, 01/17/2009 - 2:55pm
Bob DeMers says:

I have heard that copper is a natural antibiotic. What is the mechanism? Does it disrupt the cell membrane?

posted on Fri, 01/23/2009 - 11:47am