Perhaps less innovation if some guy in some bureacratic office decides that a new treatment or new procedure or new medicine is not on a list of doables. And then the gov't would have to fund all research itself. Lovely.
Great point. If you do not have facts that you can site, then there is nothing to say. The goal of making health care available to more people is seperate from research. That is a seperate pool of money much of which is already supported by federal grants. Money does tend to be awarded where there is the most interest or need. Instead of riding on fears of more government control lets look at how screwed up things are by having a few private health care corporations control things for the sake of profit. Let' hear some alternative ideas on how to control costs and increase access for all?
The only thing in healthcare that needs reforming is health insurance. It is those companies that tell doctors how to practice medicine, what they can and can't do! That's why our healthcare system is so screwed up!
thats what you may think but there is still great insurance companies out there and you probly did not do ythe research cuz ur poor at looking into things
of course we cannot expect zero government influence/choices in the different medical research that will be funded, but i think it can further medical research in the most immediate fields of health problems. i agree that medical insurance is a problem and what causes our healthcare system to be screwed up too, so maybe a little more regulation and push for legit proof of procedural costs/usages from hospitals/clinics will weed out the immense waste of money...under the right governmental people's leadership though. this topic leaves a large window of opportunity for abuse by government, and that's making everyone nervous...plus the loss of lots of $$$ for corporate/private medical insurance-they don't care if the majority of the population don't have and can't afford healthcare, as long as they have their clients and get paid, no worries about the rest of the population.
Well the most modern, up-to-date issues dealing with medical research are stem cell research and genetic engineering. And the HR 3200 deals mostly health insurance reform and addressing the issue of having so many uninsured Americans. In the long run, it will be cheaper for the government to pay for health care with this reform, than if we continue with the broken medicaid/medicare system we have now. That being said, stem cell research and genetic engineering can have more funding in the future and can offer, hopefully, cures to terminal diseases and genetic diseases, which further lowers the cost to taxed citizens IN THE LONG RUN.
If Obamacare goes through and plans go as they wish we'll all suffer terribly. And who would want to further research advancements in the health care area when the government would be the only ones who would profit?
Who exactly do you think "the government" is? Remember ...by the people for the people? If someone benefits it would be all of us. Maybe then money may go into programs for all citizens not just rich for profit corporations. Your comments does not demonstrate thought, facts, or intelligence. Access is the key here and the hope we can influence change.
Healthcare Reform will address current short comings in the healthcare system, strengthening the system and directing R & D to preventative medicine. This is not the focus that we need to have forever but for now, with the influx of so many immigrants and an aging boomer population, it makes sense to fine tune what we have. In the future, we can decide whether healthcare needs are different and re-direct our efforts at that time. I think many people are concerned that this will be our permanent solution...we never have a permanent solution, it is a moving target and we must adjust accordingly.
Healthcare reform will only affect how and what insurance companies pay for. Most medical research is payed for by either private companies or universities, neither of which will be affected by the reform. Therefore, there will be little to no change in what is researched/how long it will take as a result.
Who was supposed to have cured AIDS? The 9-month-old administration? Or medical researchers across the world? AIDS hasn't been cured, but it's not the death sentence it once was. You don't know much about AIDS, do you?
Healthcare reform is about "destroying our infrastructure"? It's about destroying our country's buildings, roads, and water and power delivery systems? You don't actually know what "infrastructure" means, do you?
And who was president on January 2nd? Take a moment and look it up. For fun, keep going until you find out when the "bloodless coup" actually happened. I hope this isn't indicative of the quality of the rest of the information "your Americans" are operating on.
Why don't you try harder, instead of making things up and repeating them?
To the question: I think it might. The words used in this debate have changed recently from "healthcare reform" to "health insurance reform," but if there is a significant change in what we pay for and how much we pay for it, companies that fund medical research will probably shift their focus to more profitable areas (within medicine). I don't know what these would be, exactly, or if it's a good or bad thing, but it seems inevitable.
It is reasonable to assume that with the government a much bigger player in the field there will be more impetus to resolve the largest issues in illness because the cost savings will impact the largest number of people and the electorate would likelyreward work that got rid of the problems that effect the largest number of people.
Are you for real? I think not. Who taught you to say such retorhic boleny? There are endless reasons that our governemnt formed in the first place-good reasons. Any place that has large populations needs an orgazing center for public welfare, education, and more. We cannot do it alone and we can work to use it a resource to voice our needs and wants. Do you vote? DO you talk to your Congress people or Senator or Rep.'s? Take an active part and research your views and most of all remain open-minded to how change can be a good thing. Blanketed open ended statements like that with no explanation or evidence is just plain immature and ridiculous. So, yeah...grow up!
people must welcome the heath care reform, we re talking about health .Let everybody have the chance to get treatment no matter his or her financial conditions.
I was at a health care reform forum last weekend that featured a doctor, hospital administrator and politician. The hospital administrator pointed out that the government is currently the largest purchaser of health care in the country with all the checks it writes out for Medicare, Medicaid, Medical Assistance and Veterans' programs. Getting a grip on the skyrocketing costs of health care will actually save the government a lot of money, he pointed out.
Government-run healthcare, a.k.a. "healthcare reform", will discourage innovation and research and competition. Hate to say it, but the quest for profits is what drives the free-market. When financial incentives are taken away, and companies are punished for being "greedy", then the incentive to strive is gone too. You will see physicians working less, dropping out of the field, insurance companies going away because they cannot compete with the government "option," and research companies scaling back. Government will not, and never has been able to, successfully reform ANYTHING. Let's face it: Obama's plan is just another attempt to take over an aspect of the economy he has NO business dabbling in. Let the innovators do their job.
Government never reformed anything? in Titanic we learn that the Int'l Ice Patrol has not lost a ship to a ice berg since 1912. Radio was a chaos until goverment regulation. Until Clinton/Bush deregulated the financial companies we had not had a deep depression for 50 years. Those who do not study history are doomed to repear it!
lets be honest , there will always be sick people and healthy people, no matter what. Instead of wasting money and more importantly time on damage control, we should focus our attention on preventative measures towards responsible health managment. It all comes down to you, the individual to be as healthy as you need to be. Health reform should be a personal matter towards self-sufficiency.
health care reform will certainly leavr most doctors busy, like Massechusets(sorry if I spelled that wrong).It will make more scientists busy with developing large numbers of a vaccine, or cure. Not good quality. Obam is going the wrong way.
our healthcare is actually quite amazing and incredible. Things that weren't even dreamt of a few decades ago are now considered a right...but it ain't cheap. The science and technology we now take for granted wouldn't exist if not for the profit motive and the insurance mechanism. That would in large part go away with goverrnment run healthcare. Rationing would be inevitible...who decides? Our current system may not be perfect, but it has resulted in amazing discoveries and technology. If you have the means to pay, anything is available. Too bad we can't all drive Ferrari's.
Maybe we can't all have Ferrari's, but a majority have cars or we all have access to some form of transportation. That is the point-access!! Why are you so sure "the governement" will deny us? As if insurance companies do not. When money making is the driving force individuals often loose. When will "you all" figure this out? Who says the government does not want to make money anyway? Private companies still have to work with the government in ways such the EPA and Food and Drug Admin. for approval and use. What the heck do mean by rationing? No, it is not. We are a long way from "1984" or the former Soviet Union. Sounds like your fear is you may be forced to share. A healthy population will benefit all and may even mean more profits. The same people "decide" what will be available based on many things. Too bad you don't get it.
Changing the healthcare system for the sake of changing it does not make sense. We have to make certain that it will be a change for the better. Defining "better" is complex at best. The American public needs to take more responsibility for the choices they make that impact their health! The major reason that people report that the US health care system does not have comparable outcomes to other industrialized nations is that the US is not as homogeneous as most of the nations we are compared to, we have a much larger population, and finally, we have much higher rates of obesity and other poor health choices than the nations we are compared to. This undoubtedly contributes to poorer outcomes.
That should be "fewer breakthroughs" in option #1.
Yes, I am that guy.
Fixed. I am glad that you are that guy, since I never will be...alas.
The Science buzzes offer intriguing informtion, showing how intrigiuing science is!
AMEN
Perhaps less innovation if some guy in some bureacratic office decides that a new treatment or new procedure or new medicine is not on a list of doables. And then the gov't would have to fund all research itself. Lovely.
In countries with government run health care, it takes a year to get routine tests completed. Why do we think that there will be progress of any kind?
As a person who lives in a country with government run health care, I can tell you that this is absolutely not true at all.
Great point. If you do not have facts that you can site, then there is nothing to say. The goal of making health care available to more people is seperate from research. That is a seperate pool of money much of which is already supported by federal grants. Money does tend to be awarded where there is the most interest or need. Instead of riding on fears of more government control lets look at how screwed up things are by having a few private health care corporations control things for the sake of profit. Let' hear some alternative ideas on how to control costs and increase access for all?
The only thing in healthcare that needs reforming is health insurance. It is those companies that tell doctors how to practice medicine, what they can and can't do! That's why our healthcare system is so screwed up!
The status quo can not bring health care cost down and only benifits the insurrance and drrug companies.
so you want the government to tell you what kind of treatment you or or child should get.
They're more generous than many insurance companies (Medicare/Medicaid) and if you like your coverage you needn't worry.
thats what you may think but there is still great insurance companies out there and you probly did not do ythe research cuz ur poor at looking into things
of course we cannot expect zero government influence/choices in the different medical research that will be funded, but i think it can further medical research in the most immediate fields of health problems. i agree that medical insurance is a problem and what causes our healthcare system to be screwed up too, so maybe a little more regulation and push for legit proof of procedural costs/usages from hospitals/clinics will weed out the immense waste of money...under the right governmental people's leadership though. this topic leaves a large window of opportunity for abuse by government, and that's making everyone nervous...plus the loss of lots of $$$ for corporate/private medical insurance-they don't care if the majority of the population don't have and can't afford healthcare, as long as they have their clients and get paid, no worries about the rest of the population.
Well the most modern, up-to-date issues dealing with medical research are stem cell research and genetic engineering. And the HR 3200 deals mostly health insurance reform and addressing the issue of having so many uninsured Americans. In the long run, it will be cheaper for the government to pay for health care with this reform, than if we continue with the broken medicaid/medicare system we have now. That being said, stem cell research and genetic engineering can have more funding in the future and can offer, hopefully, cures to terminal diseases and genetic diseases, which further lowers the cost to taxed citizens IN THE LONG RUN.
If Obamacare goes through and plans go as they wish we'll all suffer terribly. And who would want to further research advancements in the health care area when the government would be the only ones who would profit?
Who exactly do you think "the government" is? Remember ...by the people for the people? If someone benefits it would be all of us. Maybe then money may go into programs for all citizens not just rich for profit corporations. Your comments does not demonstrate thought, facts, or intelligence. Access is the key here and the hope we can influence change.
Healthcare Reform will address current short comings in the healthcare system, strengthening the system and directing R & D to preventative medicine. This is not the focus that we need to have forever but for now, with the influx of so many immigrants and an aging boomer population, it makes sense to fine tune what we have. In the future, we can decide whether healthcare needs are different and re-direct our efforts at that time. I think many people are concerned that this will be our permanent solution...we never have a permanent solution, it is a moving target and we must adjust accordingly.
Healthcare reform will only affect how and what insurance companies pay for. Most medical research is payed for by either private companies or universities, neither of which will be affected by the reform. Therefore, there will be little to no change in what is researched/how long it will take as a result.
i think that preident obama is right
We live in a country where there is more money going to bad and not enough money going to good.
it will focus our attention on the programs that have the most important impact.
This is not about healthcare. Did they cure AIDS?
this is sbout destroying our infrastructure, or what my Americans are calling "January 1: the Bloodless Coup"
Who was supposed to have cured AIDS? The 9-month-old administration? Or medical researchers across the world? AIDS hasn't been cured, but it's not the death sentence it once was. You don't know much about AIDS, do you?
Healthcare reform is about "destroying our infrastructure"? It's about destroying our country's buildings, roads, and water and power delivery systems? You don't actually know what "infrastructure" means, do you?
And who was president on January 2nd? Take a moment and look it up. For fun, keep going until you find out when the "bloodless coup" actually happened. I hope this isn't indicative of the quality of the rest of the information "your Americans" are operating on.
Why don't you try harder, instead of making things up and repeating them?
To the question: I think it might. The words used in this debate have changed recently from "healthcare reform" to "health insurance reform," but if there is a significant change in what we pay for and how much we pay for it, companies that fund medical research will probably shift their focus to more profitable areas (within medicine). I don't know what these would be, exactly, or if it's a good or bad thing, but it seems inevitable.
i really dont care about a health care reform becuz i believe that it wont help at all
none uf this matters at all our health care is already screwed and always wil b
US health care reform will take health care out of the hands of greedy capitalists and give control to people who care about health for its own sake.
It is reasonable to assume that with the government a much bigger player in the field there will be more impetus to resolve the largest issues in illness because the cost savings will impact the largest number of people and the electorate would likelyreward work that got rid of the problems that effect the largest number of people.
government interferring has never brought improvments on any thing
Except for, like, public education and ending WWII, right? And water treatment. But nothing else, I'm sure.
Are you for real? I think not. Who taught you to say such retorhic boleny? There are endless reasons that our governemnt formed in the first place-good reasons. Any place that has large populations needs an orgazing center for public welfare, education, and more. We cannot do it alone and we can work to use it a resource to voice our needs and wants. Do you vote? DO you talk to your Congress people or Senator or Rep.'s? Take an active part and research your views and most of all remain open-minded to how change can be a good thing. Blanketed open ended statements like that with no explanation or evidence is just plain immature and ridiculous. So, yeah...grow up!
people must welcome the heath care reform, we re talking about health .Let everybody have the chance to get treatment no matter his or her financial conditions.
healthcare reform has to be paid be paid by someone...it is the taxpayer and there is only so much money to go around. Wake up, America!!
I was at a health care reform forum last weekend that featured a doctor, hospital administrator and politician. The hospital administrator pointed out that the government is currently the largest purchaser of health care in the country with all the checks it writes out for Medicare, Medicaid, Medical Assistance and Veterans' programs. Getting a grip on the skyrocketing costs of health care will actually save the government a lot of money, he pointed out.
health care and medical research are funded in two totally different ways. it is very unlikely that the reform would have very much impact if any.
Go Obama! Withe heallthcare reform there will be many more scientific breakthroughs and the future of American healthcare will be TODAY!
I voted this way because if we know that this medicine works there is no need to change how we use it.
Government-run healthcare, a.k.a. "healthcare reform", will discourage innovation and research and competition. Hate to say it, but the quest for profits is what drives the free-market. When financial incentives are taken away, and companies are punished for being "greedy", then the incentive to strive is gone too. You will see physicians working less, dropping out of the field, insurance companies going away because they cannot compete with the government "option," and research companies scaling back. Government will not, and never has been able to, successfully reform ANYTHING. Let's face it: Obama's plan is just another attempt to take over an aspect of the economy he has NO business dabbling in. Let the innovators do their job.
Government never reformed anything? in Titanic we learn that the Int'l Ice Patrol has not lost a ship to a ice berg since 1912. Radio was a chaos until goverment regulation. Until Clinton/Bush deregulated the financial companies we had not had a deep depression for 50 years. Those who do not study history are doomed to repear it!
lets be honest , there will always be sick people and healthy people, no matter what. Instead of wasting money and more importantly time on damage control, we should focus our attention on preventative measures towards responsible health managment. It all comes down to you, the individual to be as healthy as you need to be. Health reform should be a personal matter towards self-sufficiency.
health care reform will certainly leavr most doctors busy, like Massechusets(sorry if I spelled that wrong).It will make more scientists busy with developing large numbers of a vaccine, or cure. Not good quality. Obam is going the wrong way.
our healthcare is actually quite amazing and incredible. Things that weren't even dreamt of a few decades ago are now considered a right...but it ain't cheap. The science and technology we now take for granted wouldn't exist if not for the profit motive and the insurance mechanism. That would in large part go away with goverrnment run healthcare. Rationing would be inevitible...who decides? Our current system may not be perfect, but it has resulted in amazing discoveries and technology. If you have the means to pay, anything is available. Too bad we can't all drive Ferrari's.
Maybe we can't all have Ferrari's, but a majority have cars or we all have access to some form of transportation. That is the point-access!! Why are you so sure "the governement" will deny us? As if insurance companies do not. When money making is the driving force individuals often loose. When will "you all" figure this out? Who says the government does not want to make money anyway? Private companies still have to work with the government in ways such the EPA and Food and Drug Admin. for approval and use. What the heck do mean by rationing? No, it is not. We are a long way from "1984" or the former Soviet Union. Sounds like your fear is you may be forced to share. A healthy population will benefit all and may even mean more profits. The same people "decide" what will be available based on many things. Too bad you don't get it.
I believe the new health care bill will be good for research because there is more money. I hope someone can find a cure for my extra arm.
Doing something about healthcare reform is better then doing nothing about it!
Doing something about healthcare reform is better then doing nothing about it!
Changing the healthcare system for the sake of changing it does not make sense. We have to make certain that it will be a change for the better. Defining "better" is complex at best. The American public needs to take more responsibility for the choices they make that impact their health! The major reason that people report that the US health care system does not have comparable outcomes to other industrialized nations is that the US is not as homogeneous as most of the nations we are compared to, we have a much larger population, and finally, we have much higher rates of obesity and other poor health choices than the nations we are compared to. This undoubtedly contributes to poorer outcomes.
Why do we all thihnk that we need healthcare refore anyway?
I just don't understand why we all of the sudden need more government control.
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