yes because sex offenders are disgusting
Sex offenders may, in fact, be disgusting, but the last time I read the US Constitution, it didn't say anything about the Fourth or Eighth Amendments (or any others, for that matter) applying only to "non-disgusting persons."
(Haven't read the Bill of Rights in a while? Try here.)
I am not a lawyer. But I do know that all laws are subject to the interpretation of the courts, and that no right is absolute. The Eighth Amendment prohibits "cruel and unusual punishment," but it has been interpreted to allow the death penalty. (Many people feel it shouldn't, but it has.) The hormone injections do not seem quanlitatively different to me.
The Fourth Amendment prohibits "unreasonable searches and seizures." I'm not sure how that applies.
That being said, I feel the mind control aspects of this cross a moral line. Punishing a person for their crimes is one thing; physically changing them (especially if it against their will) violates human decency and dignity. If it were shown to be effective, I might go along with it if it were offered as an option, but not if it were mandatory.
The thought process of that is to inject an offender is inhumane, then to say sex offenders are not commiting a crime. The question is how are you going to feel when they sexually harm you?
We're talking about convicted sex offenders, so the fact that they've committed a crime is a given. And I don't think anyone in this thread is even remotely suggesting that sex crimes shouldn't be considered crimes.
But we don't allow victims of crimes to mete out "justice" in America. We try to deliver justice in an impartial way, and a way that's fair to everyone and protects everyone's basic civil and human rights. (We don't always succeed, but that's what we aspire to.)
And we don't consider "an eye for an eye" justice, either. A monstrous act doesn't mean that we institutionalize monstrosity by behaving in kind. If you want to be ethically consistent, you can't punish someone who uses their body to invade someone else's by using the power of the state to violate the offender's body!
We also have to be careful that the sentences we impose don't degrade or harm the people who have to carry them out.
And even sex offenders have rights: preserving civil and human rights for those who maybe least deserve them helps insure that that we ALL keep our civil and human rights. (It's kind of like that 1st Amendment mantra paraphrasing Voltaire: "I may not like what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it.")
I fell that sex offenders dont deserve any rights when they do what they do they are giving away there right to live a normal life. I feel that they should be prosicuted to the fullest and with out merce that way the other sex offenders out there may take this as a example and stop.
I DON'T KNOW HOW CHANGING A PERSON'S PHYSICAL BODY CAN CHANGE THIER PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS. THESE PEOPLE NEED PSYCHIATRIC HELP. AND IT NEEDS TO BE MANDATED FROM DAY ONE. FROM THE VERY FIRST OFFENSE. IF THE INJECTION IS PSYCHIATRIC MEDICATION, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT IF IT IS TO CHANGE THIER BODY -- IT WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT IS ALL IN THE PERSONS HEAD AND THE WAY SOCIETY DEALS WITH THESE PEOPLE.
What it sounds like here is that Anonymous believes anyone who in on a sex offender registry committed a crime against a child. According to government statistics, those who have committed crimes against child are considered pedaphils and amount to only 10% of the 1.7 million sex offenders on those registrys. Keep in mind, not all sex offenders are truely offenders. Because they had concensal sex with their boyfriend/girlfriend who was under the age of 18 at the time and they were 18; are they deviates? To make judgements about those you know nothing about, shows the bias and ignorance of our communities and gives this haneous crime a dehibilitating affect against those who truely were a matter of circumstance. If you pander a prostitute - you're a sex offender, if you daughter/son touch you incidently by accident - you're a sex offender, if you are a prostitute - you're a sex offender. The list goes on and on - now is it fair to invade someones body without their approval? Think about it. Yes! Those that reach out to children for their sex desires need to be treated and ( well ok, casturated) just remember, not all sex offenders are deviates who attacked children.
Whoa...I just read the Wikipedia article on chemical castration you linked to in the original story, and I see that California already mandates chemical castration for second-time sex offenders, and it's optional in Iowa and Florida. California is considering making the treatment mandatory for first-time offenders.
WHERE IS THE RIGHT OF THE KIDS THAT ALL THESE SEX OFFENDERS HURT? WHOS LOOKING OUT FOR THEM ALL WE DO IS WORRY ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE SEX OFFENDERS. THAT NEED TO STOP THEY HAVE NO RIGHT FROM THE MONENT THAY HURT A CHILD. WE NEED TO CARE MORE ABOUT OUR FURTURE AND LESS ABOUT THE SICK PEOPLE OUT THERE HURTING THEM.
WHERE NOT ALL WORRIED ABOUT JUST THE SEX OFFENDERS RIGHTS. AND PEOPLE WORRY VERY MUCH ABOUT SAFETY OF CHILDREN -- BUT THE LAWS TODAY ARE TREATING ALL OFFENDERS THE SAME AND THAT IS WHAT IS RUINING IT ALL!!!!! AND WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO JUST PHYSICALLY ABUSE KIDS????? WHY AREN'T THEY ON SOME WEBSITE???? I HAVE HEARD OF UNBELIEVABLE STORIES ABOUT PEOPLE WHO BEAT KIDS AND THEY ARE ABLE TO DO IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL THE KID DYES WHERE IS ALL THE JUSTICE IN THIS???? MY SON HAD SEX WITH AN UNDERAGE GIRL, LIKE 50% OF OUR TEENS DO AND HE WILL BE ON A REGISTRY FOR 20 YEARS. AFTER HE GETS OUT OF PRISON FROM SERVING 3 YEARS. AND PRISON IS ABSOLUTELY NO PICNIC AND THERE IS VERY LITTLE REHABILITATION, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS WHAT PRISON IS All ABOUT. AND DURING THAT TIME WHILE HE'S ON THE REGISTRY, WHO WILL WANT TO HIRE HIM????? AND WHO WILL LET HIM RENT A PLACE TO LIVE???? AND HE WILL BE ONLY 21 AND HEALTHY. THERE WILL BE NO OTHER REASON WHY HE CAN TAKE CARE OF HIMSELF AND SUPPORT HIMSELF FINAncially!!!!! ALL BECAUSE HE HAD SEX WHEN HE WAS 17. THIS IS WHY THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT BE TAKING THE LAWS INTO THIER OWN HANDS. THE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS NECESSARY!!!!!! MY SON SAYS TO ME, "I WOULD NEVER RAPE A GIRL AND I'M TOTALLY AGAINST IT". YET HE IS BEING PUNISHED EQUALLY AS IF HE DID AND MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE SEX OFFENDERS REGISTRY!!!! WHERE IS THE JUSTICE??????
What we need to really worry about is the fact that this whole sex offender thing has become a modern day witchhunt. Have we learned nothing from the past, burning women at the stake because they were "accused" of being witches. No proof whatsoever was needed. I am seeing this more and more...innocent people going to prison, some for life,and all it takes is a finger pointing at you, saying you are guilty, I personally know of one such person who is in danger of going to prison for life, because he pissed his sister off, now, she is having her kids lie,and say he molested them. It is going to take a miracle for him to get off...he is innocent, but with this "hang em high" mentality...he doesnt stand much of a chance. What about the young men going to prison, branded as sex offenders for life, because the state said their girlfriend was a few months too young? Happened to my son, he loved her, they were going to get married, he was 19, she was almost 16...now, he is in prison, and will have to register as a sex offender. This is crazy. People used to get married at that age,and younger,,,,now, they are perverts. Yes, where is the justice? Pornography and sex are thrust in our face on a daily basis, tv, everywhere you go,and they want to act all righteous and pass new laws all the time so they can nail more and more people, proclaiming they are sex offenders? Since when is our society so moral? Perversion is everywhere...what about the guys who commit domestic violence again and again? They are jailed for a few months and let out. Do they honestly expect us to swallow that a young man in love with his girlfriend is more vile and evil than an abuser? You even get less time if you commit murder. This witch hunt needs to be controlled, otherwise, we will have vigilantes paying visits to registered sex offenders houses and offing them in the name of justice. Cmon people, this is spiriling out of control at an alarming rate. Most people wont think much about it until it happens to you, or someone you love. And like I said, the only proof needed is someone lying about it....Lets be real here, yes, rapists and true molesters are vile...but the vast majority sitting in prison are not that way at all....No wonder other countries laugh at our judicial system...it is a joke,and not a very funny one at that.
Yes I agree too. Sex offenders are really disgusting and that they are should be locked up, cause of what they might do to you or your family you don't really know that at all. Plus that they shouldn't even live in this world for being a sex offenders to everyone.
yes, sex offenders our disgusting, but did you know that over 72% of men our not guilty of this crime,because of an ex, or a child out of control they make up this lie. an the men are found guilty because people dont want to take the chance of not founding them guilty,
That would be my case!!! My stepdaughter at the time, as I was going through a divorce, posted nude pictures of herself on the web. I told her mother about this and the next thing I know in arrested for touching her daughter. I spent 10's of thousands of dollars to defend myself and all my lawyer had to say was "You're gonna go to jail because no matter what you say or do, whether you did the crime or not you'll be guilty in the mind of the world." So here I sit, spending the rest of my life paying for something I didn't do.
Now I know most of you that have posted or are about to post a reply to this post don't seem to have an open mind about the subject and condemn those that are charged before it goes to trial. "Innocent until proven guilty" is not the case in sex crimes. The burden falls upon the charged to prove that he/she did not commit the crime instead of the prosecution proving that a crime was committed. Thus, we that have been unjustly accused don't have a chance in hell to clear our name and are followed, harassed, and tortured for the rest of our lives for a crime that was not commited in the first place, and is to this day was a form of retaliation for doing the right thing, in my case, to keep a young girl from making a mistake in her life by post herself nude to the world.
This happened to me. The child was on meds and very confused. The other person tried to get out of a 30 year sentence. So he thought he would
Iie and testify that I did it too. WHICH I DID NOT! End result???? He got 30 anyway and I got 14!! I am totally innocent!! Now I have a record and can't find work!! I have to register for the next 7 years!!!
Say a girl tells a 17year old guy shes 16 when really shes only 13 and the guy finds out the truth when the 13 year old girls best friend get upset because she liked him too so the bf tells the 13 yeared old parents about haveing sex with him. They go to court the girl amits she lied to the guy about her age and she amits that she did want to have sex with him. Why should he be the one to get inot trouble when most of it is ger at fault??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I say NO, I say I've had enough!!!!! Iwould like to know if anyone here has or had a teenage son????? And how would they feel if there son was a sex offender for having sexual, consenting relations with a peer. Because that is what makes up 50% of the people who are sex offenders today and this is a fact because no one cares enough to make EDUCATED decisions about these things and I say this is DESCUSTING!!!!!!
I PERSONALLY THINK SOCIETY HAS BECAOME DESCUSTING!!!!!
forget the FACTS that CHILDREN HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM,
FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY DO WE HAVE TO CARE FOR THE RIGHTS OF SOMEONE WHO HURT A HELPLESS INNOCENT CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rape is about power and violence, not sex. Hormones, castration etc. don't work. that's aside from the civil liberties concerns.
These treatments would remove the instrument of power and violence.
They remove an instrument of power and violence. But certainly there are other ways to assault someone sexually that would be unchanged by castration, chemical or otherwise.
if hormone injections are legalized, what else can? Where do you draw the line?
IT'S NOT A HORMONAL THING AS MUCH AS IT'S A "MIND" THING. PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT THEY CAN HAVE CONTROL OVER THIER HORMONAL IMPULSES AND THE BELEIF THAT THEY HAVE NO CONTROL HAS TO BE SQUASHED. ALL MY LIFE YOU HERE HOW MEN HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE OF THEIR HORMONES. IT HAS TO DO WITH THIER BELIEFS AND SOCIETIES BELIEFS. EVERY PERSON NEEDS TO HAVE CONTROL OVER THIER ACTIONS AND ONCE THEY REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, THEY WILL HAVE CONTROL OVER THEM. WOMEN OR MEN DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE SEX WITH OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE CAN SERVIVE WITHOUT HAVING SEX WITH OTHERS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT NO SEX AT ALL. IT IS A NATURAL HUMAN DRIVE TO HAVE SEX AND AS HUMANES WE CAN'T DENIE IT. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER HOW WE HAVE SEX. WE HAVE ALL THE CONTROL WE NEED. AND EDUCATION OF BOUNDARIES AND RESPECTING EACHOTHERS BOUNDERIES IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE FUNDAMENTALS OF HOW BABIES ARE MADE.
Decency and Dignity-such people already violated that when they commited the sexual assult- do they deserve differently? I would like to see documentation (reserach) as that castration (etc.) does not help. Certainly something has to change wether its justice or society because the fact these people are commonly freed to repeat offend is nuts and sad when more get hurt or die.
WHEN THEY DO THEIR TIME THEY THEY DON'T GET DECENCY AND DIGNITY. WE CAN COME UP WITH A MEDICATION FOR EVERYTHING PRACTICALLY AND WE CAN FLY TO THE MOON -- WHY CAN'T WE FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT WAY OF TAKING CARE OF THESE PEOPLE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN STOP GETTING HURT. IF YOU TREAT AN ILL PERSON HORRIBLY AND THEN RELEASE THEM OUT INTO THE PUPLIC WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN??? IF THEY ACTUALLY TREAT THIS AS AN ILLNESS AND FIND A CURE, WOULDN'T THAT BE BETTER? BUT THESE TYPES OF TREATMENT NEED TO BE MANDATORY.
Do we really want to give the government that much more control over people?
i think that the choice should be either prison for life or like a twenty year sentence plus the injection...because that is just sick and wrong
who cares its none of our bissness
i agree with u good statemeet...
its none of your bsiness!
The criminal justice system is hired by the people, and acts on behalf of the people. What they do is therefore, by definition, our business.
because messing with human physiology is innappropriate and also is a strange solution
Criminals should forfeit rights when they choose to break the law. We need to start making people responsible for their actions.
Well, I don't disagree that people must forfeit some rights when they are convicted of a crime, but I think chemical castration goes to far. I also doubt that this strategy will be effective in "making people responsible."
I think it depends on the type of sex offender. There's sex offenders that are labled that because of a misunderstanding. But a true sex offender i think that's a great idea. The person being raped didn't ask for that to happen to their body. It's a horrible horrible experince.
this is america and should stay great not a land of molesters. god bless america
How about all the people wrongly convicted for crimes. That is a really sick sick sick law that rediculous.
yeah these guys are sick
Sex offenders should be treated like every other human being because they have the opportunity to reform.
no it is not the governments business at all. They shouldn't be in charge of things like that because people change!!! not everyone in jail is going to continue to cause problems!!!
There are to many cases of this dispicable crime
that is what i think... yup
thats not fair to the people!!!!
Who's to say what behavior will then become "illegal". Will we have injections for homosexuality, premarital sex?
While I agree with you that chemical castration would be one step on a slippery slope, I have to take issue with your examples.
The issue hinges on consent. Sex offenders, by definition, have sexual contact with other people without their consent. That is not the case, generally speaking, for people who regularly engage in homosexual or premarital sex.
It's obvious that society in general has very little if any knowledge of what the difference is between a SEX OFFENDER and a CHILD MOLESTER. (Please research it even if you THINK you already know the difference.)
I am a SURVIVOR of childhood sexual abuse by FIVE different family members... TAKE NOTE I DID NOT SAY STRANGERS! I am NOT a VICTIM!! To be a victim means that I allowed those people to take control over my life... I did not do that... and I will not! I took control of my life and I am very proud of who I am.... I am an awesome person,wife, mother, friend and professional women who is strong and confident. I stand proudly and firmly for who I am and for those I love.
I am also very happily married to a outstanding man whom I love more then anything else in the world.... and he is a registered sex offender.
I can look at this topic from both sides of the coin and after listening to all the political bull crap that the politicians would like to have society believe I feel compelled to reply and start to stand up and give a voice to the voiceless... the men and women who are on this ridiculous registry/website that did NOTHING BUT CAUSE MASS HYSTERIA!
This entire sex offender phobia/hysteria is nothing more then a modern day witch hunt... just like in Salem Massachusetts!!! WAKE UP!! The statistics will prove that the majority of sex crimes are NOT done by strangers! The largest percentage of CHILD MOLESTATIONS are done by family members or someone the parent and of child knows and trusts!
What it boils down to is this... its time for parents to start being parents... know where you children are.... know who they are with... and if your gut tells you something is wrong with "uncle Bob"... then don't let your child alone with him.... Before you take your child to day care.... do your homework, research who the babysitter is... get personal references.... do a background check.... DO NOT ALLOW YOUR CHILD WALK ALONE TO SCHOOL!!! If you cant walk them to school... then hire someone... if you cant hire someone, then ask another mother, or a family member.... get together with the other parents in the neighborhood and have all the kids walk together.... OR , go to your school board meeting and request that they open a daycare or SAC program.... IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN CHILDREN!!!!!!
When you get your pay check.... what do you do with it? Put it in the bank... right? When you pay your monthly bills... do you just stick cash in an envelope and tell the mail man to use this money to pay your bills... have him deliver to the place it needs to be?? NO.... you write a check... and send it in a security envelope.... why??? To protect your money and make sure your bill gets paid.
People microchip their pets... why??? Because its for protection... if the dog is lost or stolen... it will help identify the owner an your beloved pet is returned home....
Let me word this one for you..... Megan's Law is because someones daughter was molested and killed.... yes, it is sad and yes, we do need laws to punish people who do things like this.... HOWEVER, why are there no DUI registries? Are you telling me that someones child who is sitting in the back seat of their parents car on the way home from grandma's and is killed by a DRUNK DRIVER is not just as important as Megan???
What about the single women who is dating and meets a man at the local church single dance..... at first he seems like MR. WONDERFUL.... but, a few weeks or months into the relationship he starts to beat her.... till eventually he pounds her head in and kills her.... After they bury her body the detectives on the case reveal that he had a history of domestic violence ten miles long....... Guess her life isn't as important as Maegan's....
Here's one for you.... Did you ever hear of "DRUG FREE SCHOOL ZONES"? Tell me this.... How many apartments do you think are within a DRUG FREE SCHOOL ZONE when you live in a city? Do you think any of those apartments have drugs and drug dealers in them?? Do you think your child is offered drugs on their way to and from or even in school??? Seems to me..... the DRUG FREE SCHOOL ZONE is again... another false sense of security that society has set in place to make them feel better about what they fear... and its just someone else to blame for the lack of being a responsible parent/ teen/ adult...
Just for the purpose of stating my case.... all this talk about on-line predators..... just wondering.... who do you think is to blame here??? Lets break it down.... WHO bought the computer?? WHO pays the Internet bill??? Who is watching the children as they "play" on-line??? It wouldn't be the parent would it??? How shocking..... it IS! That would mean.... its the PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY!!!
SO, do I think anyone should be making someone else take chemicals to alter their bodies.... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your posting is the most informative is have ever read. Today its hard to get the true story from the media, they all have some agenda and are money oriented. Look at all the adds now to sell programs on the Internet to protect children. All of them are worthless. You are right, its time that the parents start to take responsibility for their children. I would say, from all the evidence that if their child is molested it will be a friend of the family or a family member. It could be their teacher or someone from their church. of course they don't want to think of that, they would rather think it is some stranger in a trench coat hanging around the school yard. Also many on the registry has never touched a child yet they cant live near a school. Should drunk drivers be kept from living near a liquor store of a place that serves liquor?
Yes, I would say that this is as close as they can get to the Salem witch hunt.
Most of the hype is politically driven, and if it sells it will be on the news. I am so tired of the lies and deception and the news media lying to the people whether it's about politics or sex offenders.
I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. AND YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY. THAT'S JUST IT. THERE ARE OTHER CRIMES THAT CAN HURT PEOPLE JUST AS MUCH OR WORSE. NO CRIMINAL ACT IS CORRECT........JUST LIKE BURNING WICHES ON A STAKE.......THERE ARE SEX OFFENSES THAT ARE MINOR AND THERE ONES THAT ARE HORRIBLE. BUT THEY ARE BEING LUMPED ALL INTO ONE AND THAT IS WHY WE CAN'T SOLVE PROBLEMS LIKE THESE. THAT REALLY REALLY NEED TO BE SOLVED.
So many people are quick to judge. No. They are still human beings...period.
I do not condone sex offenses--I loathe them. I have a family member that committed a "sex offense."
I use to hate all "Sex Offenders" but over the last few years I have started to realize how difficult life is made for people who are considered sex offenders. As in my family member's case--did you know that people who aren't mandated to register as a sex offender have to face the same restrictions that convicted sex offenders do? Its all about funding and governments don't have the money or time to determine different classes of sex offender's so they just clump them all together and give them the maximum penalties. Being in prison is easier then being in society such strict laws. People in Florida are living under bridges because Florida law is so general that it prevents sex offenders from living anywhere, period.
Before you decide to play Sovereign God, educate yourselves on the actual restrictions that keep sex offenders from even having a chance to live a semi-normal life. Sex Offenders carry a scarlet letter--the laws will just continue to be unGodly. You might as well suggest that all Sex Offenders be shot and killed or rounded up and sent to the middle of the desert.
i dont think that they should be given hormonal shots but they need to be to shame and get it back
Here's an example for you. A group of kids are at a party. A girl approaches several boys. One at a time she dances with them or visits with them. And in several cases she flirts and grabs their crouch. Now each of the boys has been charged and convicted of a sex crime. They are now "sex offenders". Why? Because the girl was under the age of 16 and they "allowed" her to touch them in a sexual way.
Believe it or not. It has happened.
Not all sex offenders are rapist. But all wear the same label under the current laws. Is that fair? Should these boys also be injected with chemicals?
Think about it.
that is stupid... the boys probably enjoyed it
Not really the point. I do not know the specifics of the case, or even how true it is (sounds a bit like an urban legend). But...
A) how much the act was enjoyed is irrelevant. (If I hit somebody with my car, it doesn't matter whether I enjoyed doing it, or whether I had a miserable time doing it. I deserve to be punished regardless.)
B) while laws try to be clear-cut, human behavior is often very ambiguous, leading to circumstances where a law as written applies to a circumstance it was never intended for.
C) and this is the author's big point: "sex offender" covers a very wide variety of acts, some quite heinous and despicable, some perhaps just over the line of inappropriate. (A recent case involved consensual sex between two partners, one of whom was one day shy of legal age.) A one-size-fits-all punishment is clearly inappropriate in a field that has so much gray area.
I agree with all that Gene said above (a first!), but I wanted to add one other thought:
Why do we assume that boys would enjoy something like the scenario described above? How did we get so programmed to think that all boys are unthinking, sex-crazed maniacs? An uninvited sexual advance, a public display--these are things that tend to make people uncomfortable. No matter what sex you are.
I made the earlier post about the boys at a party. No it wasn't an urban legend. It happened in our community. The girl was mad the boys had rejected her advances and went to the police and told them what happened. Being at a party she had witnesses who were willing to testify they saw her touch the boys.
The way the law is written the "touching" was of a sexual nature. It doesn't matter whether it was for the pleasure of the boys or the girl. It doesn't matter they didn't ask her to do it. All that matters is the contact was made, allowed and involved someone who is under the legal age of "consent".
Now the boys are lumped in with every other rapist, child molester and other serious offenders.
Thanks for the clarification. It sounds like another one of those "zero-tolerance" laws that often slap major penalties on people for minor offenses. All the more reason to be very careful when meteing out serious punishment for what might not be a serious offense.
And not only do I agree with Liza (yikes!), but thank her for raising an important point. Sexual crimes are rarely about sexual pleasure, but more often about power, control, and humiliation.
They are gross
Have to go with NO! Now I'm no rapist lover, but it would only open the door for the man to make us all a little more like cattle, next it would be the next highest offender in line, and so on until it's you and I, and we're being freaking MRI'd and Catscanned in airports... wait guess that's already happening...., and as I see this poll, I see why this crap happens, 40% of us actually want it.
Besides this would only make most of those submitted to this punishment more likely to commit the same crime again or a worse offense, you're not changing thier views and feelings, you're just shrinking and making less functional their genetals, and messing with any number of other chemical attributes. If a disturbed man hates women and wants to dominate and humiliate them, often due to deep rooted emotional trauma, often mimicing that of the crime being commited, he doesn't need a big, or even working penis and testicles to do that.
Also, you can't overlook cases where a person may have had consensual sex, but promotes it as rape to the court and the accused is wrongfully imprisoned, and now..... injected?, changing them for life.
Not all sex offenders are the same. You people are acting out of fear instead of knowledge. Did you know if you pee on the side of the road, that's registerable? If you are 17 and have sex with a 15 year old, that's registerable? Should we castrate the 17 year old? Read a friggin' book. My friend was molested at age 4 and repressed the memory for 20 years.... got in trouble for having child porn as a re-enactment... and don't tell me that his abuse has nothing to do with it. He felt that having more pictures brought him closer to his childhood.... deleting them was like deleting his childhood. He didn't know it was wrong because he thought it was normal... but didn't know why. Turned out he thought it was normal becasue that's what he started telling himself as a child in order to "survive it" ... but he could never connect anything even after seeing 7 psychologists for depression. He thought all of his problems were becasue of his parent's divorce. His sister was also abused as a child at the same time in the same house but she remembered. She started cutting herself. But my friend now knows why it is wrong and now he finally feels the pain of being abused for the first time in his life 20 years later. Give him a chance. This is what happens to victims. Just because he downloaded some pictures becasue his head was still screwed up from the abuse, you want to inject him? Maybe we should just inject all the children who were abused as a precaution? ...Of course that's rediculous....
My friend feels he is now labeled because of psychological after effects that he could not help. Seven psychologists couldn't see it.... that's how difficult it is. So don't come on here saying "he just should have known" becasue it's not that easy. Get a friggin' clue!!!!!!!
That's the problem with these codes/laws , no due process...no chance to show and prove one doesn't belong in this scheme ...to expose the wrongful false corrupt conviction...to expose public/judicial officials use of serious major fraudulent / false evidence instructing jury to convict. The cover up of stated evidence that confirmed innocence and defense. Tampering with evidence and obstructing justice is not public policy nor should it be a state interest. Public/judicial officials are commanded an oath in the Constitution to support/uphold; when they don't they are liable. 110 million dollars recently awarded a man wrongly falsely convicted proves not everything "is given" nor true what public officials force you to believe. They deceived a jury...the deception continues to the public. That's the problem with these type of "that's given" codes/laws; oppression; no due process. Tax payer keeps paying and paying on a policy to manufacture evidence...manufacture prisons. You'll never have enough prisons when they can use fraudulent/false evidence. This has to stop. I can help. Support/protect the Constitution for all Americans. send donation MOLINA 927 south Bruce--# 5 Anaheim, Ca. 92804
The US has thousands of children and young adults with very normal hormones branded as SEX OFFENDERS, due to a deranged justice system. I hope people get the message that a sex offender is a teen who has a relationship with a peer that could be 1 minute under the age of consent. Sex offenders are listed for patting ones rear end, touching a boob, urinating in public, mooning a principle. Get your facts before you give any one HORMONAL INJECTIONS, PLEASE!
The comments listed here tells me how blind sided people are about WHO is a sex offender in this country. If you have children you need to learn the facts. 600,000+ people are listed and growing strong with family member just like yours and mine. Many children and teens are paying for the ignorance. Politicians will not tell you the facts. THEY WILL HAPPILY LIST YOUR CHILDREN, Parents, WAKE UP!
List of sites no politician will tell you about, learn to protect your children from real danger lifetime registration:
Ethical Treatment For All Youth
The State of Texas admits it:
Attorneys Deal with What Is Law
"As a prosecutor, my sense is that at least half of the cases of child sexual assault filed with the district attorney’s office involved consensual sex..."
Legal Issues & Court Cases Affecting Juvenile Sex Offenders
This site links to articles concerning legal issues that affect juvenile sex offenders in prisons and juvenile facilities, list news of whom is getting listed and the devastating consequence. Protect yourself: the list is growing fast.
Would you T.T. him Hormone injections?
CHECK OUT: In the matter of T.T in NJ ,12 year old experimenting with an enema, tier 2 Sex Offender. Would you give him Hormone injections?
NJ: A minor who without sexual intent commits a sexual crime against another minor is subject to Megan's Law and must register as a sex offender, the New Jersey Supreme Court held.
This is a misleading question.. WHICH sex offenders? Those in jail.. those on parole.. those on probation... high-risk sex offenders... one-time sex offenders..? WHO are they referring to? Besides that, there are MANY differant shades of sex offenders just like any group within a faction of society. But overall I'd have to give a responding "NO!" to the original, vauge question.
Why even think of giving hormones to anyone for any reason if they are not willing to undergo the injections? How do we even know that hormones will even work in the way the "experts" think they might? Too many unanswered questions and WAY too much guessing and not enough proven facts!! People that are out for vengence are thinking in a 'panic-mode' are not thinking at all.. they are simply reacting and hating... nothing good will be accomplished, nothing will be improved at all.
I think chemicals dont go far enough, I dont care what sort of sex crime it is, if shes 1 min underage, then its still rape, and the solution to rape is snip snip, bye bye horny hormone orbs
I believe that most/all sex offenders are victims of sexual abuse themself. Locking them up or hormonal injections for the sick things they have done , to me is not solving the problem. They need HELP!!! Lock them in a mental ward where they can get the approate help them need. This is not normal behavior. By puttiing them in jail just locks away the reasons why they do it in the first place then they get out and try to live a normal life then they can't live in peace, they can't work. Which as we all know stress's the normal person out to do stupid things. Why is it that states require them to go to therapy after they are released. Should that be apart of their rehabilition, before they are let out on the streets. Let's face it , they need mental help while and before released from prison and no drugs will fix this problem unless you can find the root to this abnormal sick mind ways of thinking.
Yes, I think they should online of us, and we should be able to see if a sex offender is living near us. Would you want to wake up one day and find out that your kid was sexually abused or taken by a sex offender? I don't think so. So, seriously screw privacy rights, I rather see my kid alive.
First time sex offenders should be immediatley executed publicly and the victims family should have the honor of doing it! That would solve a lot of problems.
I couldn't let this go without saying anything.If we executed all the sex offenders we would be no better than the ones that really done the crime.
My boyfriend was convicted and now has to be on a registry and after he spent 11 years in jail the family of the little girl came forward and said they were sorry and openly admitted they lied in court and he still has to be on the registry and can't be taken off even though he never done anything to the girl.the family was never punished for lying.he had 11 years of his life taken away from him that he will never get back and now he can't hardly find work because of the lies.these people on the registry are being punished everyday for what some have done and some have not done so i think our world needs to stop and think about life and god before yelling execute people.
Here is a couple things I thought of.
Think of how many people are falsely convicted of some sort of sex crime...it's probably the highest falsely convicted crime!
This is ok with people who want this though I guess. If innocent people have this done to them that is fine! As long as someone doesn't falsely convict you or one of your loved ones.
Did you ever think if someone was to just ACCUSE you of doing something sexually wrong. Your whole life would be turned upside down. And there seems to be nothing done to anyone who files a false report. Look at those Duke La cross guys....The prosecutor got ONE DAY in jail and the girl got a scholarship out of it I think! You never hear someone that files a false report being in jail for 20 years like they deserve or being on a website or mutilated.
Also women commit sex offenses maybe not at the same level as men. But men are very very reluctant to file charges because of embarrassment so the numbers might not be as different as it seems. So what sort of sadistic thing should be done to women offenders?? It's a sexist law for sure. Also last time I checked women don't have testicles and they commit sex offenses.
I think a lot of this stuff is based on male hate. Which is very very wrong. There are women that hate men so bad it's sick and scary.
I'm a guy and I love women. I have had my fair share of unwanted touching to say the least and I can tell you I would NOT want ANY woman put through that!!
It also seems to me that sex offenses are blown way out of proportion. Like someone could shoot or stab or beat someone nearly to death and get a few years in prison. They get out and there is no registry that they are on and no one talks about cutting their arms off.
But if someone touched someone somewhere private they want to put them in jail for 40 years and mutilate them and make them be on a website for the rest of their life.
Also this stuff just brings more and more hate.
I think a lot of people who actually are guilty of this stuff are mentally ill.
I think if you are found guilty of a serious offense. Personally I would never file charges unless a female did something really really really really out of line. But if you are found guilty you should go to jail and serve a fair sentence (not 40 years for pinching someones butt) and be treated humanely while you are there because you might be innocent and that is that.
I don't know about other states but in California as Liza says sex crimes are when a person has sex without the consent of the other person. But there is more to it than that. Several things void that consent including intoxication and being under the age of 18. If two people are drunk and have sex, even if at the time it is consensual, the man still legally raped the woman if she chooses to press charges. Similarly, if two minors have sex the consent is also void and the man can be found guilty of rape. Now I ask you this. In a society that is progressively moving toward gender equality, why is the man to blame in this situation?
Imagine this scenario. A man meets a relatively unattractive woman in the bar when he is intoxicated. She takes him to her house rips his clothes off and has sex with him them kicks him out on the street. If a man did this he could be in terrible trouble. But since it was a woman she is completely within her rights to call the police and have him arrested for rape which he is, and will be found, guilty of.
Does that man deserve castration? I think not.
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