Mar
23
2007

The real cause of climate change?: A new film argues that the Sun, not people, is driving global warming.  Photo by NASA.
The real cause of climate change?: A new film argues that the Sun, not people, is driving global warming. Photo by NASA.

An earlier thread discussed the movie An Inconvenient Truth. Now, a British television network has produced a documentary of its own, entitled The Great Global Warming Swindle. (Streaming video; one hour and 13 minutes.) The film interviews many top scientists who disagree with the theory that human-produced CO2 causes global warming. It offers compelling evidence that climate change is driven by the Sun. And it ends with a rather disturbing look at how science and politics have influenced each other, with potentially dire consequences.

Regardless of how you feel about climate change and global warming, it's worth watching to film, to hear another side of the debate.

Your Comments, Thoughts, Questions, Ideas

Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Skepticism is the essence of science. After watching both of these documentaries, I can never look at Al Gore the same way again.

posted on Fri, 03/23/2007 - 7:54pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

I think this is just people making excuses. People just make up reasons to think that there's nothing wrong with driving a solid gold hummer and living like an energy hog. People are just too used to all the polluting junk we have to give it up easily. A lot of that documentary sounded exaggerated to me. There is a lot more evidence to suggest we are causing it. Besides, global warming is only one compelling argument to change our lifestyle. Less CO2 is a good thing no matter what. We're poisoning ourselves with our super cushy lives.

posted on Fri, 03/30/2007 - 12:29pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

would the fact the "The Great Global Warming Swindle" has been debunked (by college students, nonetheless ), that the scientists featured in it are NOT top scientists IF they are scientists at all ( hint : google is your friend), and that every one of the "facts" they present ignores the data of the last 15 years where Global warming has become much more obvious

also you may want check what the national academy of science (real scientists) thinks about global warming

I dont much care what you think of Al Gore but if you think Global warming is a hoax you should rly look at the facts instead of the fiction

but what i really think is you are a plant

posted on Wed, 06/27/2007 - 9:41am
tina's picture
tina says:

The whole premise of global warming centers around the idea of CO2 increasing in conjunction with increased energy use and output. Then why is is that in 1940 when energy output went up, the Earth's temperature went down? And why is it that in the 1970's, when energy consumption went down, the Earth's temperatures went up? I think that you may all need to rethink your theory.

posted on Wed, 06/27/2007 - 1:49pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

Liza, Bryan and the other list moderators will confirm my employment at The Science Museum of Minnesota, as well as my contrarian ways. ;-)

Google is indeed a friend. Skeptical scientists such as those in "The Great Global Warming Swindle" are real enough.

But allow me to repeat a point I've made elsewhere: there is a difference between "global warming" and "Global Warming." The small-g global warming refers to the fact that the Earth has recently gotten warmer. This is indisputable fact; it has been measured many times in many ways.

Big-G "Global Warming," on the other hand, refers to a constellation of ideas growing out of that single fact -- namely, that carbon dioxide produced by humans is the primary, direct cause of this warming; that it has dire consequences for life on the planet; and that we must all do something about it (usually, something political).

I have no desire to discuss politics. (Al Gore has been widely critiqued, and I have nothing to add to that conversation.) But the scientists quoted in the film raise a number of questions about the simple cause-and-effect proposed by the big-G scenario: that there may not be enough carbon dioxide to have this effect; that the warming seems to be occurring at the wrong time, or in the wrong place; that the warming seems to have stopped, though the CO2 has not; that there are other possible causes and contributing factors; that the predictions of disaster are vastly overblown.

These all seem like legitimate points worth discussing. Yet, whenever they are raised, the response tends to be "we've already decided; everybody else needs to be quiet." Which feel suspiciously like a cover-up.

posted on Wed, 06/27/2007 - 9:51pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Global Warming is a lie!!!

posted on Wed, 06/27/2007 - 1:43pm
Chance's picture
Chance says:

Everyone says that we are causing Global Warming. But they forget that the Ice Age stopped without us being there! Plus, we do not know if this is how the world is supposed to evolve! Anyway, more CO2 would mean plants would grow better!

posted on Wed, 06/27/2007 - 1:55pm
Dom's picture
Dom says:

global warming is anything but real. democrats are trying to make us think we need them but, we don't need them. we don't need them to tell us how to live. how ironic that Al Gore continually talks about saving the planet, yet continues to fly around in his big airplanes and to heat his huge house without much concern for so-called global warming. If you are going to talk the talk, then you need to walk the walk,sir!

Oh, and have we all so quickly forgotten that back in the 70's, we were all supposedly heading into an Ice Age? make up your minds!

posted on Wed, 06/27/2007 - 2:00pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Yeah. Hey, there were some scientists who got it all wrong 30 years ago. So tell the NIH to never fund climate science again, 'cause no one is going to believe the findings! And because Al Gore doesn't live the perfect example of efficiency we shouldn't listen to anything he says. Fire all those NFL coaches who are overweight, and any police officer who gets a speeding ticket should also be fired. Doctors who smoke or are overweight never have accurate medical information to tell patients either!

posted on Fri, 10/12/2007 - 8:26pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

No, not quite.

Of course scientists sometimes get it wrong. That's how science works -- you put out an idea, someone tests it, you get the results, and you move on from there. 500 scientists have looked at the results and found some problems with various parts of the global warming theory. Does this mean the theory is wrong? Not at all. But it should give us pause, and prevent us from embracing the entire theory uncritically. And it should definitely prevent us from taking radical steps in response to an issue that may not be what we think it is.

As for Al Gore's lifestyle (and those of many other global warming advocates), I repeat the words of Glenn Reynolds: I'll believe it's a crisis when the people who say it's a crisis start acting like it's a crisis.

posted on Sat, 10/13/2007 - 7:34am
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Yeah, until my Cardiologist gets to the ideal body weight, I am not losing a single pound!

posted on Sun, 10/14/2007 - 9:15am
Gene's picture
Gene says:

See the response above. It is important to separate the message from the messenger.

Of course, there's a difference between a cardiologist who is within the normal weight range, and one who is obese. The latter would clearly be a case of "Doctor, heal thyself!" And, if your cardiologist's weight fluctuated between dangerously malnourished to morbidly obese, several times, and he suddenly starts telling you that you need to cut your food intake to 10 calories a day... well, you might want to get a second opinion. I'm just saying.

(Interesting how scientists and politicians who support global warming are defended, regardless of agendas, financial ties, or past mistakes, yet folks who are skeptical of global warming are attacked on all manner of ideological and personal grounds.)

posted on Sun, 10/14/2007 - 4:52pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

No personal attack intended at all. The point is that how small an ecological footprint Al Gore lives has no relevance whatsoever in the issue of anthropogenic climate change. Period. Nevermind the fact that Al and Tipper just placed solar panels on their home and that he does fly in commercial planes very often. But it doesn't even matter. Just like whether or not a physician is unhealthy has no bearing on a patient's health. In order to have a healthy and productive debate we ought to stick to the actual issue. Reminder: The issue is anthropogenic global warming.

posted on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 5:53pm
Anonymous's picture
Anonymous says:

Yeah, and Bill Belichik obviously is not an effective football coach because he is out of shape and pudgy. How could he possibly know anything about coaching football?

posted on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 5:54pm
Gene's picture
Gene says:

First, apologies: I had previously responded to this post thinking the author was comparing Bill Belichik to climate scientists who warned of global cooling in the '70s, but warn of global warming today. I now see that this is a response to earlier posts in this thread about Al Gore, who warns of global warming while leading an energy-intensive lifestyle. My mistake for not picking up on that.

OK, the analogy makes some sense on the surface, but when you think about it, it falls apart. On a football team, everybody has a role to play, and different roles require different skills. Linebackers need to be big and strong to block the opposition. Running backs need to be nimble and quick. Coaches don't need any particular athletic skill, but they do need to be smart. So yes, it is possible for Bill Belichick to be a tremendous coach without being in great physical shape. (Although he appears to be in pretty good shape to me.)

But when it comes to greenhouse gases, we all play the same role. We are all energy consumers, and if we are to reduce greenhouse emissions, we all need to consume less. So when Al Gore, Laurie Davis, Tim Flannery and other global warming messengers fail to do their part -- worse, when they tell us to sacrifice, and yet are unwilling to sacrifice themselves -- it robs their message of a certain credibility and urgency.

posted on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 4:01pm

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